USA, be proud of your wealth, citizens are better than immigrants.

First post everyone! I'm glad to be apart of this forum.

We live in the greatest country on the planet. The US has always been a country of where we support independence, and we do not embrace socialism like many other White countries.

Our country is essentially the last bastion of hope for where the strong can flourish and the weak will perish, although the mass immigration and the democrat take over is trying to change that.

The greatness of the USA comes from our ability to allow the strong to get stronger and our ability to rely on capitalism to weed out the weak. This is reflective in our wealth gap, and in our high GDP.

Our country truly rewards those who can make a difference in the world. We produce billionaires and we should be proud of that fact, not shun it like democratic demand. Because of this US citizens that are republicans and some independents have a intrinsic value in life that is simply higher. I am an atheist, so I don't buy into the religious belief that all life is equal. All life isn't equal, some people have lives that are worth hundreds, thousands, or even tens of thousands of lives.

A citizen of USA has a intrinsic life value that is higher than those of a immigrant. This is why the democrats argument on immigration will never work. The life of a U.S.A. citizen is worth 100x or 200x of that of someone from Guatemala or Mexico. If there is even the chance that 1 out of 100,000 immigrants from Mexico could be a criminal, then we should take no one. No amount of immigrants is worth any danger to a American citizen.

 

You're being sarcastic, I suppose.

 

Bizarre first post. Maybe you’ll get better.

 

Not a very good start

 

I guess you forgot you're the off spring of an immigrant.

 

Legal immigration is good. The more the better.

Illegal (Democrat style) immigration is bad. People coming and going unchecked and unregulated at will is dangerous. Democrats want to destroy America and fundamentally transform it and destroying our borders is part of it.

Illegal immigration will stop when America is destroyed and nobody wants to come here anymore.

 

Welcome aboard. Recognizing that your post is straight up trolling, I think it worth addressing the details, as they are mostly incorrect.

The weak in the United States have a myriad of support agencies and charities to keep them from perishing before their times. Not to say there isn't waste and corruption but the poor and weak are not left to fend for themselves.

Capitalism doesn't weed out the weak. Capitalism provides more opportunities to lift the weak and poor out of poverty than any other economic system that has ever existed. It would do a better job at this if there weren't so many parasites and bureaucrats interfering with free markets and personal choice. The wealth gap isn't nearly as important as how the gap has been created. If Bill Gates and Michael Dell got rich by exploiting or oppressing the poor and weak that would be bad but they accumulated their wealth by voluntary exchange where people eagerly exchanged a few dollars for goods that improve and enrich their lives. The wealthy (excepting politicians and bureaucrats) in the United States only get rich by providing goods and services to people in voluntary exchange that benefits both parties. GDP is high in the United States because of the productivity of the people. The rich wouldn't be able to create a high GDP without the eager cooperation and inputs of the people that benefit from their products and services and in turn provide their own products and services to their customers, employees and partners.

Agreed.

While the productive output of different people is different and can't be made to be equal, the life of every individual should be treated equally under the law. Beyond that the individual should be left to establish his own economic, moral or other value to himself and others without interference from anyone else.

This isn't true and I've never met anyone that believes it is. You may be the first person I've encountered that expressed such a belief. The United States is a country of immigrants and has been made great by them (us). The concern many people have is with illegal immigrants that may be coming here to exploit the United States welfare system, or for other nefarious (crime, terrorism, etc.) reasons.

 

I mean? Happy you're here, but if you want to have a discussion than start from universal premises and build to larger ideas. Like talk about how immigrants challenge nationalist assumptions, and then move from there.

 

The more the better?

Nope sorry.

 

I was gonna say 2/10 trolling effort, but then I saw how many fell for it and have to bump that up to 7/10.

 

How many of our top 100 companies are CEO'd by a first generation IMIGRANT?????

 

Did you just Rick Roll me brah?

 

It’s a sad comment on America today that we have to say, “Legal immigration good, illegal immigration bad”.

This should not be a debatable point.

 

immigration today is different than 100 years ago. this country does not have a shortage of talent. We are at occupancy, and if we need more people, we'll do it by giving birth, not by inviting more in. Just because my grandparents immigrated here, doesn't mean you should get to.

 

Exactly, they are not just taking the jobs that Americans don't want like democrats keep saying. They are taking some of the best and most high paying jobs, when that money could go to someone that has been here for generations.

If immigrants were just coming here to mow my lawn, wash my dishes, and pick fruit from farms, I don't mind. But when they start taking college admission spots from American children? When they start using tax payer dollars for services? When they start going into big companies with high paying jobs? That's when the real threat begins.

 

I can't agree that all legal immigration is good. Asylum is legal immigration but Asylum clearly does not benefit this country. I agree it's compassionate to grant Asylum, but what does that do for you or me?

How does letting in some poor people running from gangs help the USA in any economic way?

I'd rather our money be spent on the military, infrastructure, and other things than lawyers and judges helping process Asylum. Trump understands this, he's a business man, which is why he's trying to make Asylum go away.

 

You don't know how ridiculous that reads. Let's give all incoming immigrants an I.Q. test and keep the smart ones out and just let in the Village Idiots. What a pathetic country we would have after a century or two.

 

Right, we should stop importing low IQ immigrants. Immigration to the US should be as strict as entrance to the Ivy League (minus the affirmative action and legacy/donors).

 

I hope so. Or we have our very own American Sobo here.

 

One thing you might have overlooked. Is someone moves to the USA legally , gets through school, mskes it into a college then graduates and lands a great job with a great company and does a great job for that company, that's great for America and Americans.
We have gotten lazy and typically only work hard enough to get by.
In true capitalist fashion. American workers need some competition to make them great again.

 

I welcome you to the forum.
I'm a conservative, well known here. I have to take issue with some of your comments.
While I agree some people bring higher value to a nation that others, people aren't more or less worthy because of the nation they come from or the race they are part of- when there is a difference in human value, it is because the person has made themselves more or less in terms of their conduct and role as a citizen of the planet. Honorable men and women of any race or nationality get my respect- dishonorable ones do not. What some may bring to the table may be more or less than others in terms of skills, but all people can be honorable and respectable- and that is both a choice, and a character issue.

Being honorable is something we have a right to expect from those we choose to share our country with, and grant immigration privilege to. The quality of a nation and it's society is determined by the quality of it's people, so to me- that is the first parameter in considering immigration. If we do less, if we allow less, we dilute the character and quality of the nation- and then it could become just another spot on the globe instead of an inspiration to the world. Most of us realize how valuable and important that is to all men everywhere.

I'm somewhat confused in that your chosen name here would indicate you are Asian- perhaps an immigrant- but somehow think superior to others on the basis or origin alone. I don't think you will find that attitude respected here, at least by most people I would consider good citizens. I would hope not. If you are an immigrant- or even if you are not, I would suggest re-considering your point of view.

 

This is about the only thing I agree with, that is, we should have zero illegal immigrants both those trying to get in and those already here. As far as I'm concerned their rights ended at the border. We are a nation of laws, if you want to come here you must respect that. Legal immigration is a difficult process for a reason and I would extend that by adding a naturalization requirement.

 

What about if we were to drain the best and brightest from say, China and Russia and some parts of western Europe?

 

As long as the standards to immigrate to America are high, we pull talent from all over earth.

It is illegal (Democrat style) immigration that gives legal immigration a bad name. Democrat style illegal immigration serves the cartels. The more criminals Democrats can sneak into America the more they can destabilize America. All while declaring war on cops.