Authoritarianism

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  1. opion8d

    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have always seen Wal*Mart as a place where Trump soldiers go to beat their kids.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    If one wants to understand the way Republicans operate, it requires one to see how they are likely to defer to authority, which strong liberals tend to not do.
     
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    True, but I worry that a person adds a normative touch to it when they use the term authoritative. Like it's bad to be authoritative, especially given how it's manifested itself in the past. But if a person truly wants to understand, then they have to figure out how to balance being critical, without judgment.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that we would ever get a government that would become too authoriative because the backlash, from right and left would be too great. I think the greater threat is the US morphing into an aristocraticlly dominated society that sucks the wealth out of the people.

    The net effect of the Republican tax cuts of the last four decades has been to shift a greater portion of the tax burden to the middle class, and thus the burden of the national debt. This has allowed a rise of an aristocracy, that has spun out people like lil George Bush and Donald Trump. Moronic sons of the aristocracy who gin up the base to cheer their own suppression.

    It is not natural, or right, that a small group of people should be able to live like royalty why others can't even afford a place to live. The worship of the wealthy, including the likes of Trump, is not a good thing and not at all American, or even healthy.
     
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    I wish I could think like this. It's a good skill to have. I have a strong need to feel like I have to be objective at all times. Like I'm always analyzing something, and for me it means I can't think like this. There are no morals, just what is the case. I appreciate this because you're right. It is wrong, it violates all sorts of ideas that anyone would hold dear to their hearts. There is no reason for the suffering that has occurred, anyone who has lived it sees it and understands it. They might think differently, but it is still unjust. I appreciate this kind of thinking, even if I can't fully understand it. Please continue thinking like this, it does the world good.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hard to claim a middle class tax cut shifts the burden to the middle class.
     
  7. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Proportionality. If one group receives a greater rate reduction, they are paying a reduced portion of the entire tax burden, thus, from the rules of mathematics, the other tax payers pay a greater portion, even if their rate or outlay did not increase.

    By the way, the tax cuts have been being paid for by increases in the debt.
     
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    I've always seen NYC as a place impoverished leftist go to have their babies murdered and beg for scraps ...
     
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    Another group think post by an aggrieved victim.
    Those who think of themselves or others first and foremost as members of groups rather than individuals, are those most likely to exude grievance and less likely to exude gratitude therefore rendering them the most unhappy individuals among us.

    Hatred is rare between individuals, but it is the norm between groups. It is as hard to love a group as it to hate an individual unless that individual represents a group that is already hated.

    The greatest threat to individual liberty extends from those who think of themselves or others first and foremost as members of groups rather than individuals. This OP epitomizes that threat.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I know it grinds you wrong, but the fact of the matter, I was describing an individual who broke away from group think. And I don't know why you would think I was the victim. I was the one who rose above it.
     
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    Not picking up a sense of victory from your OP. I picked up a lot of group think. I'm not quite sure if you think of yourself, first and foremost, as a member of a group, but you certainly do seem to think of others, first and foremost, as members of groups.

    The greatest threat to individual liberty extends from those who think of themselves or others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals. Your OP epitomizes group think.
     
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    LOL, so when taxes are raised and the debt increased, what do you blame it on them?
     
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    Okey dokey, if that is what you want to believe. Who am I to desuade you?
     
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    Libertarians realize people who call themselves liberals are also authoritarian.
     
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    But what about the group that pays negative tax? Where do they fit? Aren’t they shifting the burden as well? Is that “right” or “just”?
     
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    :roll:
     
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    Hence the conservative dislike of big government and the nanny state?

    I bet if you had egalitarian parents you'd be just another Liberal.
     
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    That is not reality. That is not what the research has shown. I am quite liberal and am quite anti authoritarian.

    I would never trust the ideas of a libertarian as they always seem to be at odds with the world around us.
     
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    that sounds like what authoritarians would say.
    Then you're not liberal in the least.
     
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    Whatever you want to believe. Just don't expect me to take you serious. After all, you sound not like a libertarian, but like an orange duck with a droopy purple beak.

    And if course I'm not just a liberal I am a space alien from Azerexis, about 23 light years from here. We have been secretely implanting our seeds in Earth women for close to 500 years. One here, one there. Humans have been unwittingly raising human/Azerexyan hybrids, who have been greatly advancing the human condition through the innovations that mere humans would have never thought of.

    Because of the superiority of the Azerexyan DNA, over time, humans will go the way of the Neanderthals, and a bright Azerexyan future will shine brightly in their stead.

    Have a nice day trying to preserve the old order, human.
     
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    I don't take you seriously. This post is one of the better things you presented.
     
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    Libertarianism is a fantasy that doesn't work in the REAL WORLD!

    Genuine LIBERALS work to solve REAL WORLD problems like affordable healthcare living wages for hardworking Americans.

    Libertarians believe complete and utter nonsense like taxcuts for the wealthy will trickle down to them.
     
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    I remember the very first conversation I had with you. Are you said that anybody that doesn't think like you can't be a free thinker. That is authoritarianism.
     
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    :roflol:

    Ironic coming from someone regurgitating the inane groupthink slogans of rightwing disinformation.
     
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    How about paying that group LIVING WAGES so that they can pay positive taxes instead?
     
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