Christianity topics that should not be discussed in Political Threads.

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  1. Diablo

    Diablo Well-Known Member

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    Hadrian too.
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And so many others!

    The two arguing that homosexuality was rare back then must have read very little in the way of history.

    And the Bible itself seems to indicate that it was a problem. Its god says it was worthy of death. Why would that be in there if it was no a factor?

    BUT Jesus never said a word about either...NOT ONE WORD.

    That is something that both William and Robert are avoiding...which is why they are trying so hard to divert!
     
  3. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

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    Oh jesus christ, one is trying to justify murder/ abortion homosexuality for what?

    To say it's right to kill a baby and have a perversion of butt sex?


    Illogical
     
  4. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

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    Its logical to assume why talk about the indefensible..?

    Only people today are trying to say murder and butt sex is logical.

    Because they need a pat on the back and it's ok to kill or be attracted to another dick.
     
  5. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    C'mon...don't lose your cool so easily.

    Anyway...here's a bit more from Wikipedia on the issue:

    Ancient Greece
    Main article: Homosexuality in ancient Greece
    Greek men had great latitude in their sexual expression, but their wives were severely restricted and could hardly move about the town unsupervised if she was old enough that people would ask whose mother she was, not whose wife she was.

    Men could also seek adolescent boys as partners as shown by some of the earliest documents concerning same-sex pederastic relationships, which come from Ancient Greece. Though slave boys could be bought, free boys had to be courted, and ancient materials suggest that the father also had to consent to the relationship. Such relationships did not replace marriage between man and woman, but occurred before and during the marriage. A mature man would not usually have a mature male mate, but there were exceptions (among whom Alexander the Great) He would be the erastes (lover) to a young eromenos (loved one). Dover suggests that it was considered improper for the eromenos to feel desire, as that would not be masculine. Driven by desire and admiration, the erastes would devote himself unselfishly by providing all the education his eromenos required to thrive in society. In recent times, Dover's theory suggests that questioned in light of massive evidence of ancient art and love poetry, a more emotional connection than earlier researchers liked to acknowledge. Some research has shown that ancient Greeks believed semen to be the source of knowledge and that these relationships served to pass wisdom on from the erastes to the eromenos.

    Ancient Rome
    Main articles: Sexuality in ancient Rome and Homosexuality in ancient Rome
    The "conquest mentality" of the ancient Romans shaped Roman homosexual practices.[56] In the Roman Republic, a citizen's political liberty was defined in part by the right to preserve his body from physical compulsion or use by others;[57] for the male citizen to submit his body to the giving of pleasure was considered servile.[58] As long as a man played the penetrative role, it was socially acceptable and considered natural for him to have same-sex relations, without a perceived loss of his masculinity or social standing.[59] Sex between male citizens of equal status, including soldiers, was disparaged, and in some circumstances penalized harshly.[60] The bodies of citizen youths were strictly off-limits, and the Lex Scantinia imposed penalties on those who committed a sex crime (stuprum) against a freeborn male minor.[61] Male slaves, prostitutes, and entertainers or others considered infames (of no social standing) were acceptable sex partners for the dominant male citizen to penetrate.

    "Homosexual" and "heterosexual" were thus not categories of Roman sexuality, and no words exist in Latin that would precisely translate these concepts.[62] A male citizen who willingly performed oral sex or received anal sex was disparaged. In courtroom and political rhetoric, charges of effeminacy and passive sexual behaviors were directed particularly at "democratic" politicians (populares) such as Julius Caesar and Mark Antony.[63] Until the Roman Empire came under Christian rule,[64] there is only limited evidence of legal penalties against men who were presumably "homosexual" in the modern sense.[65]
     
  6. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

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    Hey if you want to kill a baby or want to have sex with a monkey, that's up to you, don't try to justify it to us
     
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    william kurps Banned

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    Uhm so what? That's why jesus came down, to stop those barbaric ways..

    Sometimes the less you say the more you say
     
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  8. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That has nothing whatever to do with my comment that Jesus NEVER said a word about abortion or homosexuality.

    He didn't.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am talking about whether or not Jesus ever addressed the abortion or homosexual issue.

    He didn't.

    Hey...tell us more about all those Mormons who knock at your door...and who you "convert."
     
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    Don't listen do you?
     
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    You lose.. thanks for playing
     
  12. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do make me laugh...I'll say that for you.

    So you think Jesus wanted to stop the "barbarism" of homosexuality and abortion by saying nothing about them.

    Wow!

    When things go off the tracks...they really go off.
     
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    Still not listening.. Jesus didn't interact with those people. He preached to jews in Israel..
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, I listen...and read.

    I would never, for instance, suggest that homosexuality was rare back in ancient times...the way you did.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ahhh...and Jews in Israel did not have abortion and homosexuality like all the other communities of the world had.

    Give it up, Robert. You are not doing well here.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you consider this a win, huh?

    Okay...go away satisfied with your "win!"
     
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    That's not what i suggested as i said, you don't listen
     
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    Not my win, it's a win for truth.

    Jesus didn't mention homosexuality because it wasn't an issue the people he was preaching to were having problems with.

    Paul on the other hand dealt with it daily in his preachings throughout the Roman empire not influenced by Judaism.
     
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    Why say the obvious that already was written, I am amused by people nowadays that want to justify bad behaviors

    You can try to justify it all you want, but hey when you pass away the bullshit will eventually catch up with you.

    Sorry.
     
  20. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I listen...and all I am hearing from you is diversion from my original comment.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So why did their god make such a big deal about it?

    Paul certainly thought there were problems with it. And he lived at the same time.

    But, I understand. You are having a problem saying, "I was wrong."

    Happens often on the Internet.



    Paul on the other hand dealt with it daily in his preachings throughout the Roman empire not influenced by Judaism.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, that must have something to do with your guess about a god who will punish people dreadfully for the entire of eternity for doing what comes naturally for some.

    Me...I am totally straight. But I have little regard for people who want to condemn those who are not.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An actual win for truth...

    ...would be for folk like you to acknowledge that you are guessing when you say there is a god...and you are guessing when you tell us what that god considers moral and immoral.

    You ought to actually strive for that truth...since truth seem to matter to you.
     
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    Ignored is a win for me right or wrong
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    course that means he supported all the other bad stuff in the OT too, but your logic is what some Christians used to support the OT, I agree with that
     
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