Viktor Shokin: Biden outraged we seized Burisma assets

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  1. icehole3

    icehole3 Well-Known Member

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    But Libs told me this was a debunked conspiracy theory. That looks like Rudy sitting at the table with Viktor. Rudy is Biden’s worst nightmare at this moment.

     
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    But but but Biden wanted Burisma investigated!!!! Shokin "wouldnt" but but but... Right....

    Cant believe people actually believed he was fired for supposedly NOT investigating Burisma...

    Two people in in jail in Ukraine as we speak for meddling in our election but the D Counsel says its all Russian Conspiracy and he said it under oath.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, keep asking the guy who got burned by Biden and the international community his thoughts on things. I can't imagine any sort of ulterior motive he might have........
     
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    LOL.. Rudy went from being America's Mayor to America's worst nightmare....

    I'd LOVE for the R's to subpoena him to appear at Trump's removal trial...

    If you thought Col. Jessup folded when a movie lawyer made him angry, wait until you get Rudy up there with Adam Schiff grilling him...

    When you shoot fish in a barrel, you can still conceivably miss...
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    So just dismiss it? He supposedly has never been accused of corruption until now, but we should just ignore him. I suggest someone examine the phone calls between Biden and Poreshenko. Then we would have a better idea of whether or not Shokin is being truthful.
     
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    So you're saying if there is an ulterior motive then it removes reliance?
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not entirely, but it would create doubts and would make corroborative evidence more important.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, but I'm not going to automatically accept it either. Obviously some shady stuff was (and likely still is) going down in Ukraine. But the fact that Shokin is only saying this stuff Now, vs when he was removed, puts him in the sample place as, say, Kavanaughs accusers.

    No. But it degrades credibility considerably.
     
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    How do you know what he has been saying between being fired and now?
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The same way most of us know anything is going on. News reports.

    My favorite part of search engines is being able to filter by dates.

    Not a single instance of Shokin speaking out about Biden or Burisma until Fox reported from 'Rudy Giuliani's notes from a Jan 2019 discussion", and then Shokin himself bringing it up in Sept in an affidavit as a part of an hearing for the extradition of Dmytro Firtash to (wait for it) the United States. ( a good write up of it here https://outline.com/U52Xmm )

    Evidently this Firtash has a habit of using lawyers who are/were part of the US Administrations (excerpt from the previous link)
    So yeah, Unless you can come up with something from 2018 and before, then I'll gladly give it another look, but until then, it looks just like another republican interconnected web of BS.
     
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    You read through years of Ukraine news?
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. Just the KyivPost from 2014-17. Plus other search engine references (I generally jump from google to duck duck go to make sure).

    As I said, if you have something, I'll gladly check it out, but until then, I'm going to go with what I've found so far.
     
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    Just like Kavanaugh's accusers......
     
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    Shokin speaks... Leftists react...

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    And it's coming from OAN. One America News. It's fake news 24x7x365, and is practically named after the United Russia party to boot.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. Glad we agree.
     
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    Oh no, we don't agree at all.

    I was laughing at the parallel you were attempting there.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's a little more here than someone's "witnesses" who remember nothing, and absolutely zero evidence anything ever occurred.

    https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-...-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ?? So you believed Kavanaughs accusers? Odd. Not very like you.
     
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    Mmm no, because someone whose own witnesses don't remember anything isn't comparable to anything else, actually.
     
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    I curious how assets could have been seized yet the claim was they were not being investigated thus Shokin had to be fired.
     
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    Read John Solomon's column on this in the Hill. Shokin has been saying this for some time. He has given sworn testimony to this to the EU.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story
    excerpt:
    Shokin 2016 testimony to EU court:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement
     
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    Exactly.

    OAN traffics in these sort of Fabricated Narratives.

    Shokin is just making up stories (in any event).

    I am surprised that OAN isn't publishing Breaking News that has Shokin verifying the Identity of the Roswell Aliens.

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    The idea was 'coming forward with the issue only when politically expedient'. Not about the validity of the claims.

    First off: That was a well documented Timeline. Thanks.

    Second: The only thing that could absolve Shokin was the asset seizure.

    So I looked into it.

    The Seizure was from Mykola Zlochevsky. The Article cited for this Part 3 of Article 368-2 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine.
    So I looked it up. Evidently this clause was just removed by the Ukrainian supreme court and all previous investigations were shut down. https://nabu.gov.ua/en/novyny/aboli...le-step-back-ukrainian-anti-corruption-reform (not really applicable here, but something interesting to note going forward)

    I did end up finding a criminal code of Ukraine online though.
    https://www.legislationline.org/documents/action/popup/id/16257/preview
    So I dug deeper and golly gee, look what I found.

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/482274.html

    Looks like he was under investigation for abuses while running Ukraines Ecology and Natural Resources Dept. The seizure was done by NABU, but announced by the Prosecutor Generals office.
     
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    Joe Biden continues to claim he didn't know Hunter was on the board of Burisma, and contradicts his former top aid, Amos Hochstein, saying that he was never warned about Hunter and Burisma. ———— Yet here they all are on August 2014 golfing in the Hamptons ...

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