Why was there no investigation of the Bidens started 1/20/2017!?

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  1. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Simple answer! There was no investigation of the Bidens regarding Burisma started Jan 20, 2017 because Joe Biden was NOT running for POTUS yet.
     
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    Simple answer: The corrupt Ukrainian government Biden/Democrats were working with was still in power.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    It was not up to Ukraine to investigate the Bidens for breaking US laws. It was up to the US go investigate if the Bidens broke any US laws.

    As I said the reason there was no investigation of the Bidens back on Jan. 20, 2017 is because Trump did not ask for an investigation of the Bidens because Joe Biden was not running for POTUS until the year 2019.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure it was. Their alleged crimes were committed in their country.

    Go steal some money in a foreign country. See for yourself.

    There was no investigation because the Obama administration was trying to remove the POTUS via "russian collusion" in 2017, and the pro-Obama government was in power until 2019.
     
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    Another answer would be that there's nothing wrong with quid pro quo. It's been done throughout history, and is actually expected. we give something, and expect something in return.

    It was never an issue until the democrats decided that there was an issue with it.
     
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    Biden hadn't yet been stupid enough to reveal the info to the whole damn world. And yes it is that simple.
     
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    There is no proof that they committed any crimes.

    So you are saying you wanted a fishing expedition to find a crime to pin on the Bidens. Wait a minute. That is exactly what Trump did back during the Jul 2019 call with the president of Ukraine. Trump said do us a favor talk to Guiliani and investigate the Bidens. Trump admitted later that he asked for the Bidens to be investigated.
     
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    And investigating them is apparently an impeachable offense.

    We don't need a fishing expedition.

    Explain how Hunter Biden got his job at a corrupt Ukrainian company while his dad was VP that wouldn't be corrupt.
     
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    Actually Trump is perfectly comfortable with any one of the current front runners getting the nomination. Why rock that particular boat even though Biden BRAGGED about actually doing what the Dems are going to Impeach Trump for not actually having done. Amusing, yes?
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    No. Quid pro quo using tax payers money to gain something of value is impeachable. That is what Trump did . Trump asked the president of Ukraine to get dirt on the Bidens to be paid for by military aid.
     
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    Biden delivered the message to can Shokin the corrupt prosecutor from the US, the IMF, and members of the EU. That had nothing to do with Young Biden. It was simple ! Shokin failed on purpose to investigate.
     
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    The quid pro quo is not bad because it was quid pro quo, it was bad because it was timed and done to personally benefit a president during his reelection campaign by using the foreign policy of this country to compel another country to become involved in our election by reopening an investigation into a primary political opponent.
     
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    Justice systems generally don't work from "proof" but rather suspicion based upon evidence. Hunter's lucrative job sans any actual experience in the field, coupled with his dad's job at the time is evidence that there is something that might be worthy of investigation.

    All investigations are basically fishing expeditions. This is because going from suspicion to prosecution is a ladder. You might have evidence that leads to suspicion, but that's not going to result in a conviction. You need more evidence that might eventually lead to "beyond reasonable doubt" which might result in a conviction.

    There is no crime committed by investigating something if there is evidence of possible crime that might lead to stronger evidence for that crime. The fishing expedition happens when there is no evidence, but an investigation is instigated anyway.

    What is this impeachment inquiry about? All I can get from it is that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate something that sounds suspiciously illegal. So the question is where is the evidence that something illegal might have happened?
     
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    Yeah, I've heard this one a million times now. The idea seems to be that a political opponent is above being investigated.

    Do you believe that investigating a political opponent is illegal?
     
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    What crimes? Trump has never said. The impeachment proceedings have been going on for three months. Republicans have never told us what crimes were committed by the Bidens.

    Neither have Trump's fans.
     
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    You know that's not the point. If the Donald Trump campaign wanted Biden investigated, the Donald Trump campaign could have undertaken that measure on it's own. Instead, Trump used his office and the foreign policy apparatus of this country to do his personal bidding.

    If that's not wrong to do, then Biden is in the clear as well, since that's the basis for the accusations against him. Using his power and authority in the United States government to personally benefit his family. Maybe we should just stop worrying about corruption altogether.
     
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    It was shelved after Biden’s quid pro quo.
     
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    Something of value meaning retaining his job? That's actually not something of value, no more than my job is something of value. I get paid for my services, and while the payment is valuable, I work to achieve that value.

    What is that "something of value"? If it's just getting a second term, that's not something of value. It is an exchange of work in exchange for a salary (which he donates).

    Where is this "something of value"?
     
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    Look man if there was a suspicion that Young Biden was doing something wrong or illegal why wasn't the fishing expedition started the afternoon of Jan. 20,2019?

    I know the answer! It is because Joe Biden was not running for POTUS on Jan. 20, 2019.

    Seiously man Trump had a couple few hours after the innaugeration ceremony and the innaugeration balls so he could have issued an executive order to start an investigation Young Hunter Biden regarding Burisma.
     
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    Getting dirt or making up dirt to aid in an eection to get another term is indeed something of value.
     
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    The Donald Trump campaign can't investigate anything.

    Trump used his job as President to ask (or maybe pressure) Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden, and possibly Joe biden because that's just his job. That's the job, just as surely as it's the job of a cop to arrest somebody for jaywalking.

    How is that not his job?
     
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    No, sorry, but you haven't established anything of value yet.
     
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    That's certainly reasonable grounds for suspicion, but I'm still angry that Trump hasn't put Hillary behind bars yet.

    Look, there's a statute of limitations involved, and that hasn't been reached yet. Your idea seems to be that the statute of limitations doesn't exist.
     
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    Yes I did you obviously cannot recognize something of value or you do but will not admit it. Ecause thatvwould mean you agree that Trump did something that us impeachable.
     
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    Wrong.

    First off Trump may not have even been aware of what Biden had done, until he appeared on the Globalist Council on Foreign Relations in 2018, where he bragged about blackmailing Ukraine with a $1 billion in US foreign aid.

    In early 2017 Trump had to appoint his AG. Then as soon as he did appoint Sessions as his AG, Sessions recused himself, and Trump was left with a weak-kneed AG, and a two year long Trump-Russia collusion investigation.

    On top of that, the same corrupt Ukraine administration was still in power until 2019.

    Once the Mueller investigation was over, and Trump had a new AG with a backbone, and there was a new Ukraine president, that was when Trump felt confident enough to look into the creepy Bidens deals
     
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