Democrats to unveil 2 articles of impeachment Tuesday morning

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  1. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Actually, both previously impeached Presidents (Andrew Johnson and Clinton) were both Democrats.

    And, obviously, Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.
     
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    william kurps Banned

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    How so, Did he try to make us buy something we didnt want?
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I really don't think it will get to the Senate unless Pelosi has retirement in mind.

    Shiff and Nadler have failed miserably and with the new IG report, and along with statements from Durham and Barr, the Democratic diarrhea is leaking all over the place.
     
  4. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    If people didn't want Obamacare, it would be gone by now. The Republicans were unable to get rid of it even with a complete majority precisely because people want to keep it. It works for millions of Americans despite Republicans' years-long efforts to sabotage it.
     
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    Pretty sure Andrew Johnson was also a democrat
    so would stil be dems 2 vs rep 1(trump) in such a scenario(reagan was never impeached i believe)
     
  6. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    A wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for comes to mind. Also a lot of official uses of his private properties on our dime.
     
  7. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton was a Republican......

    (work with me here..... wink)
     
  8. william kurps

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    They never had a super majority like Obama did

    Speaking of Obama care


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.or...t-with-billions-for-insurers-on-the-line/amp/


     
  9. Paul7

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    He's verbalizing what many Democrats think.
     
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    And Trump is surging in battleground state polls.
     
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    Here. this is an article from 2010 for the Congressional Research Service. describing an obstruction of Congressional duties and contempt of Congress. I will quote it extensively as there is no copyright protection for these reports. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34304.pdf
    From page 16.
    "Obstructing Congressional or Administrative Proceedings (18 U.S.C. 1505)
    Section 1505 outlaws interfering with Justice Department civil investigative demands issued in antitrust cases.88 However, it deals primarily with obstructing congressional or federal administrative proceedings, condemning:
    I. Whoever
    II. A. corruptly, or B. by threats or C. force, or D. by any threatening letter or communication
    III. A. influences, B. obstructs, or C. impedes or D. endeavors to 1. influence, 2. obstruct, or 3. impede
    IV. A. 1. the due and proper administration of the law under which 2. any pending proceeding is being had 3. before any department or agency of the United States, or B. 1. the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which 2. any inquiry or investigation is being had 3. by a. either House, or b. any committee of either House or c. any joint committee of the Congress
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years (not more than 8 years if the offense involves domestic or international terrorism), or both.89"
    Contempt of Congress Beginning on page 21.
    "Statutory Contempt of Congress
    Contempt of Congress is punishable by statute and under the inherent powers of Congress.130 Congress has not exercised its inherent contempt power for some time.131 The statutory contempt of Congress provision, 2 U.S.C. 192, has been employed only slightly more often and rarely in recent years. Much of what we know of the offense comes from Cold War period court decisions. Parsed to its elements, §192 states that
    I. Every person
    II. summoned as a witness
    III. by the authority of either House of Congress
    IV. to A. give testimony, or B. to produce papers
    V. upon any matter under inquiry
    VI. before A. either House, B. any joint committee, C. any committee of either House
    VII. who willfully A. makes default, or B. refuses 1. to answer any question 2. pertinent to the matter under inquiry
    shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000 or less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than twelve months.
    then there is a third form beginning on page 21
    "Inherent Contempt of Congress
    Congress’ exercise of its inherent power to punish for contempt of its authority predates the 1857 enactment of the original version of its statutory contempt provisions.165 The statute has always been recognized as a supplement rather than a replacement of the inherent power.166 In fact for the first half of the statute’s existence, Congress continued to rely upon its inherent power notwithstanding the presence of a statutory alternative. Thereafter, Congress began to resort to the statutory alternatives more regularly.167 The inherent power lay dormant and does not appear to have been invoked any time within the last half century.168"

    Then there is this option.
    "Contempt of Court at Congressional Behest
    There are two statutory provisions available to permit Congress to call upon the courts to overcome the resistance of witnesses in congressional proceedings. One covers immunity orders where the witness has claimed his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.169 Continued recalcitrance after the grant of immunity is punishable under the court’s civil and criminal contempt powers. The second permits the court enforcement of a Senate subpoena but apparently only to the extent of the court’s civil contempt powers.170"

    Note this content is all within the public domaine as is all congressional research reports "CRS reports, as works of the United States Government, are not subject to copyright protection in the United States. Any CRS report may be reproduced and distributed in its entirety without permission from CRS"https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34304.pdf
     
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    Yet you had no problem with Obama's wall with Mexico or him flying to Hawaii on our dime?
     
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    George Washington ignored a House subpoena.
     
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    I'll have to read this through later today, on the surface i'm a bit surprised, I expected more, although what I expected exactly is unknown.

    Is there a timeline for a vote set?
     
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    When powerful forces do unsavory things to try to purge a sitting president that has been improving the lives of average citizens, people will take a good clear look at the alternative.

    Pure Clausewitz versus Alinsky. When your party has nothing to offer and asks for your vote based only on a pure hatred for the other candidate.
     
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    Asnine strawman bovine excrement all you have left to defend your BLOTUS now?
     
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    You sound upset. Maybe they should have included "2 scoops of ice cream" in the impeachment charges.

    ROFL
     
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    So you think the Democrats and their impeachment charges are actually credible and you think the President of the United States should be impeached?
     
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    False.

    Two dems, zero reps.
     
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    Obstruction of congress????

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!
     
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    Every president has some vacation time on our dime. The difference is that Trump enriches himself when he does it, making sure that public money finds its way into his personal coffers.
     
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    So, Trump didn't commit bribery or QPQ????

    Good to know.

    LMFAO!
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just an observation before I put you on ignore (that's next), you are constantly posting pretty much nothing but name calling of anyone and everyone that disagrees with ou without much actual content, its just littered with insults, perhaps nobody ever told you, but you could be better than this, if you included just an ounce of effort.

    Have a nice life, I wish you well.
     
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    It shows the state of the GOP that they have not gotten behind removing Trump. No morals, no integraty all about power
     
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    Wrong!

    ITMF Day is almost here and the nation will be celebrating since it is long overdue!
     

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