To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Focus: The DP House bosses did not even charge Trump with bribery.

    I am sure you are disappointed, but Nadler/Schiff/Mueller/Pelosi have effectively cleared Trump - again. Ordinary Americans who are not heavily invested in partisan politics notice things like that.
    Elections still matter. :)
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More assumption. It’s all you have.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For a quid pro quo you need a quid and a quo. The dem clown show is missing one.
     
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    To your initial claim - "There are some who argue that, if the circumstances and evidence warrants it, it is the Constitutional duty of the House to impeach the President."

    The Constitution sets the bar at "High Crimes" What that bar is - is thus a subject for debate. The idea that this partisan Congress is going use a realistic bar - is fodder for the gullible.

    I have not seen "evidence" that this bar has been met - and nothing in your post meets that bar IMO.
     
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    The Dems will someday regret their petulance.
     
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    No reaction. Trump's fans can't even defend themselves.

    Or, they are agreeing with me. They support Trump's friendly relationship to his patron, Vladimir Putin.
     
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    Still multi-topic trolling for attention? Sad.
     
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    You see nothing wrong with the President asking for foreign intervention in our Presidential election for his benefit?

    Where are you from? Certainly not America.

    Assuming you are from around here, the only defense Trump's fans have for Trump is to ignore the evidence, which would include Trump's own statements and that of his chief of staff.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So friendly that Trump has been much tougher on Russia than Obama ever was and following foreign policy on the importance to try and normalize relations with Russia. Forget the reset button?
     
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    You are right. They didn't charge him with obstruction of justice from the Mueller Report, either.

    There were countless other charges they could have made against Trump, but they decided to keep it simple and limit it to two charges. Did you say that because it is some kind of plus for Trump? That's weird.
     
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    Because, as you know, all your ranting and raving with regard to same is baseless, senseless, unsupportable nonsense.
    Thus, demonstrated why Trump needs no defense.
     
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    First, that is hardly the point.

    Second, this is not about a President we had three years ago.

    Third, when it comes to the Articles of Impeachment, why is it Trump fans want to change the subject to Obama? The answer to that question is obvious.
     
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    Go for it Sandy.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    They did not charge him with any of the nonsense that the Fake News MSM has been "reporting" since 2015.
    Don't be fooled again.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    In fact, Trump has been the most anti-Russia president since Reagan.
    You are a victim of MSM Fake News. This should help:

    "The death toll from the skirmish, already about five times more than Russia’s official losses in Syria, is still rising, according to one mercenary commander who said by phone that dozens of his wounded men are still being treated at military hospitals in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

    Most of those killed and injured were Russian and Ukrainian, many of them veterans of the separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine, according to Alexander Ionov, who runs a Kremlin-funded group that fosters ties to separatists and who’s personally fought alongside pro-government forces in Syria."
    BLOOMBERG, U.S. Strikes Killed Scores of Russia Fighters in Syria, Sources Say
    By Stepan Kravchenko , Henry Meyer , and Margaret Talev, February 13, 2018.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-to-kill-scores-of-russian-fighters-in-syria
     
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    It would appear that Trump's fans are incapable of thinking beyond 2020.

    Throughout his entire President, a majority of Americans have disapproved of Trump's performance. Trump is the least popular President in modern American history. The GOP has lost several key elections in 2018 and 2019 and they lost control of the House because of Trump.

    In other words, in all likelihood Trump will lose in 2020.

    Trump's fans ignore all the evidence -- they avoid it, actually -- and insist that Trump is innocent. They are totally unaware of the consequences of that judgment.

    Most likely in 2021 a Democrat will become President. If not in 2021, then 2025, or at some point a Democrat will be in the Oval Office.

    If Trump is declared innocent of asking a foreign government to intervene in our election on his behalf, if Trump is declared innocent of using bribery as an incentive, if Trump is declared innocent of obstructing justice when he clearly defied Congress, then Democratic Presidents will be allowed to continue the practice.

    That possibility exists as early as Jan. 20, 2021. Do Trump's fans really want to grant that kind of power to Democratic Presidents?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep, we deplorables hate Trump and the 173 judges he has put on the bench. Oh Lordy, what is we gonna' do?
     
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    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    And how does an attack on an American base in Syria have to do with Trump's impeachment and the mountain of evidence against him?

    I'll tell you how. You now are avoiding the evidence and you want to change the subject.
     
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    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    You should consider the idea of ending the practice of embarrassing yourself. It is easy to understand why you use a pseudonym.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    LOL! It proves that Trump is the most anti-Russia president since Reagan.
    It proves that all the talk about Russia collusion was pure political slander.

    Here is more proof:

    "U.S. decision to provide anti-tank missiles to Ukraine angers Russian leaders
    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, left, participates in a flag ceremony during an Aug. 24 parade in Kiev celebrating the nation's independence day. (AFP/Getty Images)

    President Trump’s long-delayed decision to provide Ukraine with defensive lethal weapons signaled a new willingness to oppose Russian intervention in its neighbor, but has made European allies nervous that a recent hike in fighting could escalate.
    The State Department said Friday that the administration would supply the government in Kiev with Javelin anti-tank missiles to destroy armored vehicles used by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, and to raise the cost of Russia’s intervention in the conflict."
    LOS ANGELES TIMES, U.S. decision to provide anti-tank missiles to Ukraine angers Russian leaders, By TRACY WILKINSON, DEC 26, 2017.
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-us-ukraine-20171226-story.html

    No wonder Putin's spies worked with the DNC to rig the 2016 election for HRC.
    The Clintons should have been locked up long ago.
     
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    :applause::roflol::rolleyes:
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    So far, every charge against Trump has been exposed as partisan political slander.
    Hence the surge in support for Trump. The DP should have fired its strategists long ago.
    Better late than never. :)

    "U.S. forces killed scores of Russian mercenaries in Syria last week in what may be the deadliest clash between citizens of the former foes since the Cold War, according to one U.S. official and three Russians familiar with the matter.

    More than 200 contract soldiers, mostly Russians fighting on behalf of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, died in a failed attack on a base held by U.S. and mainly Kurdish forces in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region, two of the Russians said. The U.S. official put the death toll in the fighting at about 100, with 200 to 300 injured, but was unable to say how many were Russians."
    BLOOMBERG, U.S. Strikes Killed Scores of Russia Fighters in Syria, Sources Say
    By Stepan Kravchenko , Henry Meyer , and Margaret Talev, February 13, 2018.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-to-kill-scores-of-russian-fighters-in-syria
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only one embarrassing him/her/alphabet's self is someone who has posted nearly 22,000 anti Trump posts.
    Instead of constantly bashing Trump, why don't you post what you love about the Democrat party?
     
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    He doesn't get paid for that.
    he -does- get reported for cross-topic spamming; the more of us who do it, the less he'll do.
     
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    Prove it. Trump's fans have this habit of making up nasty accusations without explaining themselves. They just say it, and we are supposed to believe it. Here is an example of your "partisan political slander."

    A review of a tiny fraction of the evidence against Trump. Trump fans have tendency to forget.

    “I would like you to do us a favor, though.”

    This is from the transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky. It was provided by the White House. The following is a quote from Trump.

    Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I jtist want to_let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

    “What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted a reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied [Trump's chief of staff] Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html

    After the July 25 phone call with Zelensky, as he usually does, Trump doubled down on the Biden investigation. On Oct. 3, in a news conference on the White House lawn, he called on Ukraine and China to look into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

    “If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

    “They should investigate the Bidens,” Trump said. “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-calls-for-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens.html
     

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