This is why the facts, no matter how you twist them, will not exonerate Trump

I think it's about making the shibboleth of Obstruction a fact in the minds of people rather than the baseless accusation that it happens to be. No obstruction was found during that insanely lengthy and politically biased Mueller investigation, which should never have happened in the first place. Now in an effort to have SOMETHING to impeach Trump about they have once again accused him of Obstruction; although they cannot actually point to any.

What's going to happen is that brain-zonked Leftists convinced by CNN and MSNBC that Trump is Satan's daddy KNOW that he is the root of all evil on Earth regardless of what the Senate determines during the trial process -- if it comes to that. Meanwhile thinking people are probably going to punish the anti-ethical Dem Party leadership for using the INTENT of the Constitution as their political toilet paper in an insane effort to keep TRYING to 'get' Trump by not only returning Trump to office but by increasing the numbers of GOPers in both the House and Senate by the end of 2020.

 

Quote where on the Constitution it says that the President hkas the power to defy subpoenas in an impeachment

Quote, where in the Constitution does it say that the courts have the sole power of Impeachment.

The only thing I find in my copy of the Constitution is

Article I, Section 2, Clause 5
"The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."

And you have shown that Republicans have no way to twist this.

 

'Exonerate...' do they have to find him innocent or do they have to find him guilty?

 

Defying Congressional subpoenas in an Impeachment inquiry is illegal.

 

It sure is Trump's problem. He's the one getting himself impeached.

 

I prefer the Republican Party. But that would be too obvious a hypocrisy.

 

A dangerous precedent is being set by the demonrats. If you are accused, you need to prove your innocence.

 

Ah.... now we're getting somewhere. So your theory is that, in the end, Trump is going to throw everybody under the bus.

Of all the excuses I have heard so far, that one is probably the one I find most reasonable to expect. Because it's perfect for Trump's character.

 

It is not a matter of anyone throwing anyone under the bus. it was their choice. They chose not to participate in a farce.

 

Terrible precedent: If you're elected President you must faithfully execute the office. Whose idea was that?

 

Deflection noted.

 

1 Not a court of law. 2- "Find" him guilty? He stonewalled Congress! It's in writing and on tape.

 

You mean by the dem clown show with zero evidence? LOL

 

The Senate voting whether or not to convict 'isn't a court of law'? Then what is it a court of?

 

Oh it will long be remembered. As the Christmas Impeachment that failed.

 

Facts? When did they come up? Ohhhhhhhhhh, your taking Hearsay, opinion, conjecturer and flat out lying by the dems! I'm sorry, I thought this was going to be a serious thread with honest facts, MUH BAD ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

It doesn't need to be in the constitution because it's called "executive privilege." There is already precedent for this; more recently in 2014. The President has this privilege for the same reason the President cannot be prosecuted for a crime while serving; it interferes with the constitutionally granted duties of the Executive Branch.

But if you have a problem with this privilege, you need to go and settle it in the courts. If you're not going to do that, they you cannot claim that the President is committing an impeachable offense by enacting powers granted to him.

 

Oh any claim at all can be made any time at all.

Problem is this: does it make it through the Pekin wiggles and sell in down at Grafton?

 

We must have faith. Americans spoke in 2018 and the Republicans lost control of the House. Because of their loyalty to Trump, Republicans have lost key elections in strong red districts in 2019. A record number of Republicans in Congress quit in 2018. That record may be exceeded in 2020. Already 27 have quit.

Americans will speak again in November and it is likely they will take out their outrage on the GOP.

If they don't, if they let things slide like they did in 2016 when Trump was elected by a small minority, then our country is in big trouble.

 

They didn't quit, they retired. They're not saying they can't be part of the party or win. They're simply saying they don't want to do this anymore. Republicans historically have been more hostile towards career politicians. More so than Democrats.

Also, if you're relying on the public to support your impeachment efforts, you're going to be in big trouble. Quinnipac has no impeachment at No +6, while Momouth +7

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3651

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_121119/

Nationally, Trump loses to every Democrat. At the battleground level, Trump wins against every Democrat. If you expect Americans to speak in favor of you, you should seriously consider talking about issues that matter to them, because impeachment isn't one of those issues.

 

TRUMP DOES NOT NEED EXHORTATION.


HE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY


DEMPCRATS HAVE TO PROVE HIM GUILTY
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What is so hard to understand about that???

 

I would like to apologize. I referred to the impeachment investigation as a kangaroo court. That is an insult to millions of very nice kangaroos.

 

Really, so Trump is already guilty without a trial?

I guess you think trials are pointless huh? Let's just find Defendant's guilty without trials. I mean what is due process right? And if a trial exonerates it just means the trial is BS.

Did you honestly say Trump is guilty no matter what happens?

Secondly, obstruction of congress is a bs charge here. There are three elements to a lawful congressional subpoena, the charges levied against Trump calls the subpoenas lawful by assumption.

One important element of a lawful subpoena is that it must involve "a legitimate legislative purpose". The Trump administration has asserted that there is no legitimate legislative purpose. Congress refuses to bring the matter to the courts, so instead the Trump administration is trying to quash the subpoenas in court. Congress rather than wait for the judicial branch to make a decision, reaches their own conclusion, denies a judicial remedy, and has moved forward with impeachment.

John Turley already testified brilliantly to this matter. He stated that if Congress impeaches Trump for contempt of Congress for going to the courts to get a ruling on whether or not a subpoena is lawful, then it is Congress who is abusing their power.

"I can't emphasize this enough, and I'll say this one more time, if you impeach a president, if you make a high crime or misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power, it is your abuse of power, you are doing what you are criticizing the president for doing. We have a third branch for dealing with conflicts between the other two branches."

And guess what congress decides to do, it doesn't want the courts to render a decision on whether or not the subpoena is lawful, because it knows it will lose, so instead it moves forward on the very charges that the Trump administration is trying to get a judicial ruling on.

Congress is committing an abuse of power by refusing to let the judicial branch resolve this.

 

Pursuing the courts is a legal response.
You're all wet

 

He pursued legal avenues of defense.
You are wrong as usual