To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Bless your heart.
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    Because I am a Republican.

    Try to find one positive thing I have said about the Democratic Party other than supporting the removal of Trump.Then quote me. Don't make up what you want to think I meant.

    It is the removal of a foolish and incompetent President who committed crimes (see post 600) I support, definitely not the Democratic Party.
     
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    Did any of the DP "witnesses" when challenged to speak up or raise their hands if they could provide any evidence of Trump committing an impeachable offense raise their hands and speak up? ;-)
     
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    Trump will be impeached by Christmas, Merry Christmas everyone :xmassanta:
     
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    Uh huh. And then what?
    Happy new year!
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually you should have said, Happy next five years.
     
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    LOL, a quid pro quo requires a quid and a quo. The dem clown show is missing one.
     
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    yep, he will be voted out in 2020, Happy New Year!
     
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    You're better off hoping the Senate removes him.
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    Senate wont remove him, Dirty Donald could shoot someone on 5th ave and they would give him a mulligan
     
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    Yeah, that is what I thought.

    It is up to the House to decide what are impeachable offenses based on the testimony, not the witnesses.
     
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    Well, all the witnesses had was assumptions and hearsay so that is all the dem clown show has to impeach the President, which of course, makes this all a laughable charade of partisan butt hurt.
     
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    I watched the hearing today, and, again, the Republicans avoided the evidence against Trump. Some said the evidence didn't prove anything, but not one Republican could explain that premise using the evidence itself. They constantly brought up unrelated topics, quoting Presidents Washington, Andrew Johnson, Harrison, Jackson, Truman, and Obama. They brought up Russian interference in our elections, the Mueller Report, the FISA courts, Steele dossier, and Carter Page (who?).

    I could go on, but the reader gets my point.

    They tried to confuse matters by ignoring the unique nature of impeaching the President. They brought up routine examples of executive privilege throughout our history. They ignored what our Constitution says about impeachment. Article 1 Section 2 says:

    The House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2) and that "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments ...

    Sole power
    , not the President and not the courts. In other words, when it comes to impeachment, there is no executive privilege. Congress has the sole power to determine what witnesses and what documents it needs to protect our Constitution from the impeachable offenses of the President.

    By refusing to comply with court ordered subpoenas, Trump clearly committed obstruction, and quoting George Washington doesn't change that.

    I almost felt sorry for the Republicans on the committee. They were helpless. Almost, they were defending a President who broke our laws and is a threat to our Constitution and our national security.
     
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    We've had a few weeks of predictable partisan and mind-numbingly redundant hearings.

    Dem: "Guilty"
    Rep: "Not Guilty"
    Dem: "Guilty"
    Rep: "Not Guilty"
    ....ad nauseum

    This is why impeachment should not be conducted along purely partisan lines without clear support from the voting public.

    Oh well, here we are. Next up: The Senate.

    After that the final Judgment Day: November 3, 2020 when the American people decide who they want for POTUS. As it should be.
     
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    Then it was probably a mistake for the DP to hold sham hearing and let the whole world know they've got nothing. Wasn't it? ;-)
     
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    Why are none of the original charges in the articles of impeachment? Easy, no evidence. Why is the second article stupid? They only sent 'strongly worded letters' and not subpoenas.
     
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    Throughout his entire President, a majority of Americans have disapproved of Trump's performance. Trump is the least popular President in modern American history. The GOP has lost several key elections in 2018 and 2019 and they lost control of the House because of Trump.

    For the 2018 election a record number of Republicans quit. That number is likely to be exceeded in 2020. So far, 27 Republicans have quit.

    In other words, in all likelihood Trump will lose in 2020 and the GOP will lose the Senate while the Democrats retain control of the House. .
     
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    Trump's popularity at this point in his term is about the same as Obama's popularity after 1000 or so days in office. Both men below 50% approval. That's even with Obama getting thrust upon a pedestal by mainstream media...and attempts to destroy Trump by the same media. Obama still won reelection in spite of his unpopular public ratings....largely because of incumbent's advantage plus Republicans did not put up a better candidate.

    Whatever the outcome, 2020 will be the voters' choice, so that will what it will be. Personally, I see no reason at this moment not to think that the popular vote will be split almost equally again with about 60 million on each side of the aisle. But my lone opinion does not make that outcome a likelihood by any means.
     
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    Bless your heart.
     
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    Over 3 years of OMG!!! DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID?!?!?!?!!!!!" is getting really tiresome to most Americans. The Democratic Party can not grasp that most Americans care about themselves, not about the corn cobs stuck up Trump haters' asses.
     
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    This is why the Democrats have finally put their money where their mouth is and moved to impeach Trump - its the only way they can clear the stink of their last three years of insanity and have some hope in the 2020 election.
     
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    That is true, but I am talking about the overall picture. Trump has consistently been around 54 to 60% disapproval. Obama had a brief loss of popularity, but he has largely been over 50% approval, and it is much higher than that after he left office.
     
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    Trump cannot trust the people who work for him.

    The Hill reports, "Fewer administration officials are allowed to listen to President Trump's phone calls with foreign leaders after the president's July 25 call with the leader of Ukraine became a central part of the House impeachment inquiry, CNN reported, citing White House sources.

    "Transcripts of the calls are also being given to a smaller number of officials, sources told the news network.

    "Previously in the administration and during other presidencies, a greater number of officials were reportedly permitted to listen in, including aides with expertise on the countries involved in the calls."

    But no more, and the result could be a chaotic foreign policy. Those who work with said countries on a day to day basis will have no idea what the President said.

    It amounts to a concerted effort to prevent Trump's conversations -- which officials have said sometimes veer off into unguarded or undiplomatic territory -- from becoming known to even those inside the administration.

    Like I said, Trump cannot trust the people who work for him. This is some Presidency.
     
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    It’s done.

    Now impeachment is just an ordinary government tool, like a veto or filibuster.
     
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    Recent events have caused many to wonder. What is going on with Trump? Is it possible he is acting like a Russian puppet? Is he doing what Putin wants him to do?

    Perhaps it is time to look at the facts.

    We know Putin interfered in our 2016 Presidential election because he wanted Trump to become our next President.

    We know that Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had Russian connections, and he is now serving a long prison sentence. Trump's deputy campaign manager, Rick Gates, also had Russian connections, and he is facing jail time.

    Mike Flynn, Trump's NSA for a month, spoke illegally to the Russian ambassador and is facing jail time.

    Trump's attorney general, Jeff Sessions, had contacts with the Russian ambassador during the election campaign, once in his office, and he had to recuse himself from the Russian investigation that was taking place from his office.

    Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June 2016, for information on Trump's opponent, Hillary Clinton.

    Nothing pleases Putin more than to see the American government in chaos.

    More recently, Trump tried foreign interference in our Presidential election again. He attempted to extort the Ukrainian president to get him to dig up dirt on another political opponent, Joe Biden. This caused an impeachment inquiry.

    The mission of any righteous Russian puppet would be to create chaos at the highest level of the federal government. Consequently, the House of Representatives drafted two Articles of Impeachment. If approved by the full House, which is extremely likely, Trump will face a Senate trial in January.

    Trump has now dragged in the third branch of our government, the judicial branch. Every President since has Nixon has disclosed his tax returns to avoid any accusation of a conflict of interest. For reasons which are obvious, there is suspicion that Trump is being extorted by Putin, and the proof may lie in his tax returns. Trump has refused to disclose his tax returns. The Supreme Court will hear the case because it involves still another Constitutional crisis created by Trump.

    You can't get any more chaotic than that.

    Two Soviet-born, naturalized American citizens, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who had been helping Trump's lawyer investigate Joe Biden in Ukraine, were arrested by the FBI. They had one-way tickets on a flight out of the country.

    They were arrested shortly after having dinner with Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer.

    Trump continued with his chaotic regime. Many will die as a direct result of his decision to order a retreat of American troops from northern Syria, giving Turkey a green light to annihilate the Kurds whom they regard as terrorists. His decision caused a national security threat for our country, and poses serious problems for the Western democracies, not to mention the betrayal of a valuable American ally that had destroyed the ISIS caliphate.

    The Pentagon, members of Congress including the vast majority of Trump's party, and the American people are aghast at the dishonorable, incredulous decision Trump made. However, apparently the decision suited his purposes.

    Trump's surrender to Turkish intents does not serve America's interests. Indeed, his decision has endangered our national interests, and there is only one conclusion a person can make. As long as Trump is President, America cannot be trusted.

    On the other hand, other nations do benefit from Trump's decision. They include Turkey, of course; Syria and its murderous dictator, Bashar al-Assad; Syriay's ally, Iran.

    And Russia!
     

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