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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Describes exactly what happened to Trump before and after the election.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are clearly very confused. Lets start from an extremely elementary standpoint....Do you realize that the IG and a US Attorney have vastly different investigatory powers?
     
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    I wish I could be as positive about it as you are. The way I see things is that supposedly there were 4 spy court warrants issued based upon oppo research paid for by the DNC and signed off by Comey, and a few other FBI hacks. This happened prior to Trump becoming president, and so far Comey is still sitting there in his living room laughing at republicans, and the fisa court judges will continue to sit there and do nothing about being lied to.

    Either the democrats are correct, and nothing happened, or the republicans are correct and something happened, but there's nothing that will ever be done about it. This is Trump's FBI, and he hasn't done a damn thing to stop this from happening again except to fire Comey.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Let's start from an even more elementary standpoint than that. You don't just need "vastly different investigatory powers". What you would need are vastly different facts. And you might be used to finding "alternative facts" in Hannity's mind (and/or his echo-chamber's). But those don't work in the real world. In the real world, there is only one set of facts.
     
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    Comey was forced to open an investigation and MAKE IT PUBLIC in the days before an election disregarding long standing DOJ policy to NOT make public such investigation in the months approaching an election by Strzok?

    No he was not. He was pressured to do so because of leaks by the NY FBI office to Rudy the Ghoul

    That's in the IG Report as well and Horowitz testified to it the other day
     
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    You mean like the fact that IG Horowitz told the committee that his report far from what the Democrats on the panel and Comey claimed didn't exonerate anyone who had anything to do with the the investigations of Carter Page , Trump, and others
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nope! Horowitz did not say that. Not wasting time on your fantasies, though.
     
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    Yes he did I've no doubt given your knees viewing habits that you missed it and damn sure you get no mention of it from the Alphabet soup media who scarcely covered the hearing at all.
     
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    He did WHAT?

    You post above makes no sense
     
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    Yes he did say that HIs report exonerates know one connected to the investigation of Carter Page, Trump et al. You can't follow a three line conversation now? knees should have been news auto correct screwed me.
     
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    One doesnt know the facts until the investigation is complete. Vastly different investigatory powers is very likely to produce far more actual facts. If it doesnt, then so be it. If it does however, then so be it as well. Without the benefit of maximal investigatory powers however, you seem to have yourself convinced that nothing else can possibly exist. I am always shocked at the rationale of hyper partisans. If this were reversed, beyond any shadow of a doubt, you would be waiting for all the facts to come out. I am not like that, so I find it hard to relate.
     
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    Horowitz did say the report did not exonerate anyone.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Let's not be disingenuous. We know enough facts to know beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump is a criminal. He has committed Crimes, as well as High Crimes. We also know beyond a reasonable doubt that he is seeking to colluded with a foreign government to favor him in the elections by obtaining "dirt" on a political opponent. And that has nothing to do with corruption. He only seeks an announcement that his political opponent is being investigated.

    Strip all partisanship and all red herrings, and you are left with undeniable facts.

    No, I would not. I am not a partisan hack like the large majority of Trump supporters. My voting for somebody doesn't mean I blindly and unconditionally support them no matter what. I only need enough evidence to know what the facts are beyond a reasonable doubt. At the point where the facts show that the President needs to be removed, and I don't care if I favor them or not, that's all I need.
     
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    One does not know the facts until the investigation is complete, particularly in this case where the initial investigator is severely limited with their investigatory powers. There is a reason that US Attorney's are given wide investigatory powers.

    In this case, any assertion to the contrary is partisan hackery of the highest magnitude. Actions speak FAR louder than words.

    I for one will wait until the actual facts are known.
     
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    We know enough facts. But if they're not enough for you, there is one fact that should seal the deal for you, if you are viewing this with intellectual honesty and patriotism: that is that any facts we don't know are being hidden by Trump. That should give you and any reasonable American all the facts they will ever need.

    No idea what that means
     
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    The dem clown show is not interested in facts and why they shelved their subpoena's.
     
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    One does not know all of the facts until the investigation is complete. This is not like I am saying that we need to wait until Breitbart finishes its investigation. It is a US Attorney's investigation appointed by the Attorney General for crying out loud. What I am saying does not contain one iota of controversy. You dont want to wait. WE GET IT. Please stop posting on this. Enough already, this conversation hasnt progressed in probably 5 posts now. ENOUGH.
     
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  18. Golem

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    Why do you keep repeating that as if it were some sort of argument? We won't know "all" the facts even when the investigation is complete. Trump is making sure of that. Ever stop and wonder why? And it would be great to know them all. But we won't. Good news is that we don't need to know them all to know that Trump is a criminal.


    The AG is investigating Trump?

    What nonsense! The AG is Trump's' unconditional lackey. He would never lift a finger to do anything that might so much as "conceivably" cast any doubt on his lord.

    This conversation hasn't progressed because you keep repeating the same nonsense instead of addressing my arguments. Which should tell us that you can't, but won't let go of defending a proven criminal.
     
  19. FAW

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    I keep repeating it because I am responding to the same thing, over and over, and over.

    Now lets stop.
     

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