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  1. Richard The Last

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    Do you honestly believe, if all civilian guns were confiscated and destroyed, the US would be safer and less violent?
    I didn't realize that 85% of Americans agreed on anything.
    Can you provide your source of information for your statement that the "85% of Americans who are "Christian, Jewish, or Muslim" "... all agree that suicide is a sin"?
     
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    Proof please.
     
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    Not to be rude but if you are not "a productive citizen" what value do you have?
     
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    "Resources are limited and competition is fierce - work, or starve."
    - Mother Nature
     
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    So, in your linked web page it indicates that between 1999 and 2016, 1.3% of all deaths were "gun deaths". Why are you so concerned about that 1.3%? Do you not care about the other 98.7%? What are you doing about those deaths? Can you show me where you are doing something about the things that cause greater numbers of deaths than guns?
     
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    And there are already significant legal restrictions in place to address the illegal use and misuse of firearms. So ultimately why does more need to be done in the matter?
     
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    And then what? What comes after their attempt at ending their own existence has failed? Are they confined to a care facility for the duration of their natural lives? Do they have a new outlook on life and are better able to face their problems with renewed optimism and better coping skills? Do they try again with a different method? Do they wind up in an even worse situation than they were previously due to their attempts being botched?
     
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    Such applies only to those that live in order to go to trial. If they are killed in the commission of their crimes by their victims, such is simply too bad. One surrenders their rights, all of their rights, when they choose to go out of their way to victimize someone else.
     
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    That most believe suicide a sin... BS; There are suicides throughout history that have been considered heroic.
    As for your last statement, you are proclaiming of a fact you can’t possibly know.
     
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    Unlike cars, guns are not a necessity of life. They are mainly used as toys on shooting ranches or hunting. These toys cost the lives of 30,000 to 40,000 people per year in USA. Most of these people have Mental Disability.
     
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    Even though I do not work, I do watch documentaries a lot. I like documentaries about prisons. In Canada, even the worst criminal is treated as a Human with value. They have a right to a comfortable cell.

    All Humans have souls created by G-d.
     
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    The vast majority of suicides are ambivalent -- not committed.
     
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    On average most attempts without guns are not successful.
     
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    But worst offenders who live are entitled to rights. Canada and West Europe are not USA.
     
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    most people who commit suicide are incompetent -- psychological scientists agree. Indeed, my PhD is in Mathematics -- not Psychology.
     
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    This is an issue on which Liberals are right.

    Humanitarianism means that all Humans have innate value. This was the value in Judaism for 33 Centuries, in Christianity for 20 Centuries, in Islam for 14 Centuries.

    People incompetent to make their own decisions must be kept away from guns. Putting a stumbling block before the blind is a sin.
     
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    A great many things in the everyday world are not necessities of life, but rather comforts and conveniences. Yet despite them not being necessities, they still remain legal for ownership and use.

    Or for matters of personal defense and safety. As was recognized by the united state supreme court.

    As opposed to what, precisely?

    Such is simply too bad then. If the united states is not going to provide them with the help and care they need, the least it can do is offer them a way out.
     
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    Then do not be bringing them up in a discussion that pertains exclusively to the united states.
     
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    In my opinion, USA should start following practices of Nations where Human Rights are held in esteem.
     
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    In USA, hundreds of thousands of people with Severe Mental Disability are incarcerated. This is extreme inhumanity.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    Unfortunately in USA, there are 10 million people with Severe Mental Disability. Unfortunately, many of them can access guns.
     
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    I guess having a PhD doesn’t keep you from making sweeping comments that you cannot possibly support. As for psychological scientist agreeing... I am sure you can cherry pick a few that would, but I would submit there is no consensus of the range motivations for suicide. As for a lack of competence... many famous, successful, people at the top of their game by anyone’s standard have shocked and eluded understanding when they committed suicide. Then, too, for some, you could substitute the phrase ‘the ultimate sacrifice’ for the word suicide.
    Anyone is capable of committing suicide given the right factors where it is a well reasoned, rational decision.
     
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    And as you said:
    There are millions of alcoholics in the US who have access to alcohol, many drug addicts who can access drugs, many smokers who smoke around children. Life is inherently dangerous.
     
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    Your complain has no rational basis.
     
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