Is it fair, smart or valid to use Trump's past against him when judging his POTUS performance?

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    Is it fair, smart or valid to use Trump's past against him when judging his POTUS performance?

    I will give you two reasons here but I am withholding my other reasons for saying that using his past to assess his Presidential performance is not smart or valid or fair until we get into the discussions.

    The first reason is that Hillary Clinton TOLD us after the Lewinsky affair that a President's private life is just that.

    PRIVATE and off limits to our discussions or judgments.

    The second reason is actually hundreds of reasons.

    www.magapill.com

    Click on each accomplishment to read a detailed 3rd party account.

    The President has been doing a SUPERB job.

    What do you say?

    Is it fair, smart or valid to use Trump's past against him when judging his POTUS performance?

    WHY OR WHY NOT?

     
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    Is it fair, smart or valid to use Trump's past against him when judging his POTUS performance?

    No. The people are tiring rapidly of the constant war against Trump by the left. I think we are at the point where the more they do it, the worse it will be for them. Trust me, they will continue it.
     
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    who is holding Trump's adultery against him, that is up to him and his wife if adultery is an issue to them

    if his voters don't care, then it's not a issue
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Fair? Yes, all is fair in love and war....and in politics. Dems pick on Trump's lack of morals because of his playboy past and any other conceivable "misdeeds" they think will make him look bad. The right picked on Obama's past of being raised for several formative years in a Muslim country and being surrounded by Marxist/Communists influences when he was young to call him un-American. Fair enough. No one's past is squeaky clean, but in politics, it is fair game.

    Smart? No, not in my estimation. Smarter to focus on policy stances over personality and background. Policy choices impact each one of us directly. Someone's personality or where they came from is an external variable compared to which direction they want to lead the country.

    Valid? Maybe. Past can be a predictor of future behavior and shape someone's mindset from which they establish their policy platform.

    I vote on policy, platform, and after the first term....on results. Trump is doing a great job following through on promises made to his base. After 3 years in office, his present track record in office overshadows any questions or doubts about his past. He is committed to keeping his campaign promises.

    No one really knows what a person will do after they get elected (unless they've been a politician for years or decades with a track record of public service). I suppose that makes a person's past more important for a period of time until they are tested in office.
     
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    I don't know if it is fair or if it is smart, but it is inconsequential. It will not change minds; those that like him will still like him, those that don't won't.

    I do however get a kick about those that are truly offended by investigations when in the past they have formulated investigations themselves. If it was fair to criticize the Clintons for their past or fair to criticize Obama for his religion or stir up rumors about his birth then it is also fair now. If one is willing to dish it out one should be able to take it
     
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    So are you admitting Dirty Donald has a truly despicable past????
     
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    His behavior his whole life regarding every encounter of his life has developed him into the person he is today and that's one pathetic piece of bowel excrement.
     
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    Yea he is.

    What people forget is that The Orange Criminal is "Person # 1 who was a candidate for the Presidency" in the Cohen indictment. He is an unindicted co-conspirator in an illegal act that sent Cohen to JAIL.

    Now that may not be in the Impeachment Articles...and it has nothing to do with Trump's "personal life" but I think it should color how people look at him.
     
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    No, but it's valid for choosing if to vote for him or not
     
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    The term, "unindicted co-conspirator," sounds pretty lofty but amounts to nothing criminal. After Trump is re-elected I will not blame him if he cleans house in NYC.

    And I think that Barr is on his last nerve with Wray. More of the overly copacetic but biased imposters within the FBI have to be shown the door.
     
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    Trumps' past should be checked and considered when he is running for office or applying for a position. Once elected or hired then at that point his past is not important. The only important factor is performance.
     
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    Trump is doing fine. I don’t care what he did in 1974.
     
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    Phew!

    I have been waiting all day for someone to post as you have.

    Thank you!

    Here is something I think you will understand.

    When in Rome, do as the Romans do. But do it BETTER.

    In every phase of my life, and probably yours, too, I have had to adjust to a different set of rules and standards and mindsets and behaviors in order to fit in and be accepted.

    From the behavior in Church, to that required in school to that at the YMCA, to that when going to a nice restaurant, to working at my Uncle's bodega to meeting my gf's parents to my stint in the Army, to college, to the world of civilian employment in various jobs and so on.

    In every one of those different venues I adopted the way of thinking and acting which was common to that place or endeavor or industry just to be one of the group.

    But when it came to being seen as a leader of the group, it took something extra that the average group members could respect, something that was above or beyond their own actions or expectations.

    Donald has ALWAYS tried to excel.

    From the time he was a student Cadet leader at military school to learning the ropes of the family real estate development and construction business.

    When he finally made it to the world of MANHATTAN REAL ESTATE it wasn't just being a big fish in a little pond like his successful real estate father had been in the outer boroughs of NYC, it was BIG TIME.

    Manhattan.

    And in that cut throat world, being a good deal maker and being shrewd and ball busting and a ladies man wasnt enough.

    If he was to become THE BEST in that world he had to be outrageous.

    And better or bigger or badder than his peers.

    All so he could satisfy that inner need he feels to be THE BEST.

    Attribute ALL of his excesses during those years before coming down the escalator to announce his run for the White House to the arena he was competing in. Manhattan real estate, where if you can make it there, you can...

    Well, you know.




    He made it there and yet, instead of his business career branding him as a monolithic guy who was so awfully excessive in character and behavior that he shouldnt deserve to be given even the keys to the White House, I see it as being a sign of his adaptability and desire to prevail no matter the challenge.

    He tried that life. He excelled at it. And he was enjoying life as a billionaire who had done it all.

    He had a reputation which was oversized to match his drive and desire to be the best.

    They say that what made the legendary thoroughbred, Secretariat such a champion was his oversized heart. It was like 20% larger than the average horse's heart.

    Maybe what made and makes Trump so awesome is his oversized ego.


    He wants ONLY The best and he has the adaptability and the heart and the ego to excel at whatever he puts his mind to.

    So when he decided to run for the Presidency, in contrast with what his detractors have thought and tried to allege about him, he has completely dropped the excesses which worked to make him the top of the heap in Manhattan and took on a whole new set of rules and standards.

    Those required of a POTUS.

    But not just any old POTUS, but THE BEST POTUS THAT HAS EVER BEEN.

    That is how to judge Donald Trump.

    He has not done anything truly outrageous except that those things his critics try to label as excessive.

    He has followed pretty conservative principles for governing although he HAS given his own personal touch to the job, just as all Presidents do.

    And almost all of them have been successful so far.

    www.magapill.com

    MY guess is that he wants to be judged by historians as THE best POTUS EVER.

    The GOAT.

    Greatest Of All Time.

    And, yes, he is propelled by his own desires and ego, but there werent any bettors at the race track who ever said they werent going to bet on Secretariat because he won so many races.

    No, they said, well, how can I profit from this awesome performance?

    And that is what we should do as a country.

    Trump is a freak of nature and his likes will not come along again in our lifetime, most likely.

    What we should be doing is HELPING get the most out of him as we can while he is here to donate his services to making OUR country great again.

    After he is gone we dont want to realize our folly by hindering him at our own expense and say when it is too late, "What have I done?"



    He is a gift to America.

    The Video That Made Me Love Trump

     
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    BING!

    :clapping:
     
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    Who is doing that?

    Please provide examples along with links of interested parties using Trump's past when judging his performance as President.
     
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    He adapted to the worlds he entered.

    He became one of them by adopting their values.

    Then he went the extra mile to be the best in that environment.

    He did what he had to do to be recognized as THE BEST.

    In a world of sharks, he was the biggest, fastest, strongest and had the most teeth.

    In the world of Presidents of the United States he has adopted the values needed to function in this environment and he has gone the extra mile to become not just a good POTUS but THE BEST.

    What has he done that is excessive like when he was in the cut throat swinging billionaire Manhattan real estate world since he announced his intention to run?

    Nothing really excessive at all except those things the critics want to hang on him.

    And why hasnt he been excessive?

    Because he is operating by POTUS rules now, not billionaire real estate tycoon rules.
     
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    No, I think you are pretending to be unaware of the critics and their criticisms and their assumptions.

    There is nothing that my granting your request for information would do to advance this conversation more than your simply readin the thread.

    There is all the information you need.

    To go from that point, okay.

    But yours is a request I dont see as serving any constructive purpose.

    To save time, please read Post #14.

    It is my case for appreciating Trump.

    You wont find anything like it online.
     
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    Note to Babalu -- Ignore the lefties on this forum. They will not discuss Trump's record as president, which is a historically great record. But they will call him names and accuse him of every crime under the sun. They willingly post their false accusations while demanding you document your opinion with links. It's all they got. Sadly, you can't communicate with a person who is afflicted with TDS.
     
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    Thanks!

    I enjoy the challenge. It is kinda like Mr. Miyagi trying to catch flies in mid-air with chop sticks.

    And it is important that the truth and the President's point of view be defended in close proximity to their BS so that casual visitors will see that the patriots havent given up as the media might lead people to believe.
     
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    Hero worship is something that makes no sense to me. Especially when I see someone who seems to be worshiping delusions. You may think that Trump is great, or perhaps you have been led to believe that he is great, but he really is a turd ball. History will not be nice to him.

    I always wonder what it is about people who hero worship. Like on television ads, or even in television shows and movies, it is not all that common for an average person being depicted as pretending they are a famous athlete while shooting a basket, or throwing a ball. Athletes don't think like that, but average Joes do. Why is that?

    Could it be that many conservatives are so lacking in their own lives that they have to attach their dreams of grandeur to individuals they imagine are better.

    Or is it, conservatives, by nature are natural followers? Kind of hard to claim one's politics are about individuals when one builds one's politics upon the wishes of one who is worshipped.
     
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    Trump's playboy past. That is kind of funny. More like sexual predator past.

    Real men, men who have their way with women don't act like Trump. A real ladies man doesn't have to grope women, or have to pay them for sex. Real men have women asking for it, not the other way around.
     
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    I watch The Daily Show all the time. First John Stewart did a great job of showing how funny Republicans and their ideas are. Trevor Noah is doing the same thing. I can see how conservatives don't like The Daily Show. After all it is a show that makes fun of conservative thought and politicians, as it should.
     
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    In 324 days the silent, who don't howl and scowl in the streets, speak.
     
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    As with every President before him and hopefully all after as well, the man is evaluated on his life and history when all is said and done. We do so with Lincoln, Jefferson, Obama, Washington, Bush and Clinton...etc...so we also do with Trump. He is not as special as his minion think he is.
     
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