Do you think Trump was justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the B

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Was Trump justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the Bidens?

Poll closed Dec 14, 2020.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. It depends on... (explain in thread)

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  1. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

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    I think that is accurate.

    The scary thing is delving into why they did it..

    I am afraid that Democrats want to sieze power and hang on to it by any means necessary.
    They want the 2nd ammendment gone
    They want hate speech laws to begin their limiting the first.
    They want more scjs once they get the white house back. And they want to eliminate the electoral college so they never lose the white housr again.

    To me this points to wanting power and permanent control over the whole government.

    Very scary indeed..
     
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  2. Babalu

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    Exactly.
     
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    Schifty Schiff's face should be photoshopped into the pile of manure.
     
  4. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, but Schiff doesn't lie....


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    ...he "parodies"....

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  5. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that milestone.

    As far as a better way to have gone about it, not involving military aid would have been wise. A White House meeting would have been easier to keep under the radar. A broader investigation less focused on the Bidens would have been good. Naming sectors of concern that included Burisma would have been easy and less easily traced to a direct interest in Biden. Less all around personal involvement.

    I’m not a fan of Biden and if he violated the law he should face consequences. I don’t believe that he should be immune from investigations, but Trump shouldn’t have been the one to head it up to the extent that he did.
     
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    I layed it out in my post to Babalu. I don’t think he should be seeking foreign interference in our elections. I just happen to think he did it in the dumbest way possible. Well maybe not possible. He could have called for the investigation on broadcast ne... oh, wait. He did that.
     
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    Yes, period. I hope Barr appoints a number of special councils filled with 100% angry Republican lawyers. One to look into Obama for Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS with no rules. Sound familiar? Another for Biden and his influence peddling, and another to investigate money laundering by the Clinton foundation. Let is hear an argument by a lefty as to why any of the above would not be 100% fair considering the past 3 years of democrat insanity. What is good for the goose right?
     
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    I think not because now Trump is facing an impeachment trial because of that.
     
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    I’m all for wrong doing being investigated. If any of their actions warranted investigation, then bring it on. Honestly though, if there was any there, there; the investigations would already be under way.
     
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    No one thinks he should. And in regards to Ukraine he didn't..
     
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    Do you think Trump was justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the Bidens?

    Absolutely not and in fact he did not ask Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. What he asked Ukraine to do was to announce an investigation, not to carry out an investigation. The difference is of critical importance in understanding Trump's purpose.
     
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    :applause: Sums your post up very succinctly.

    Of course Trump is worried about Biden, because Biden, if you'll recall, was handily defeating Trump in the, err, "fake" polls that even Faux News was reporting. Biden has been topping Democratic and general election polls.

    By the way, you're doing exactly what Trump and the Russians have been doing, trying to smear Biden with disinformation. You see how effective it is? They put it out there and then people like you gobble it up and regurgitate it all over the place, and so Biden becomes dirty in the view of many potential voters. Same as what happened to Hillary. The anti-Democratic propaganda & disinfo machine is already running full steam. :no:
     
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    That's one of the better synopsis's (imo) I've heard. Very nice post.
     
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    Technically, Trump has no opponents for the 2020 election, until the DNC announces their nominee. Bidens only real rivals are the other democrats who are in their Kabuki primary.
     
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    If that were so clearly, and easily proven true he wouldn’t be in the midst of an impeachment.
     
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    If it was clear republicans wouldn't be voting against it..
     
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    No, I suppose your right. No chance at all that they just see their future election chances as being tied to Trump’s fate...
     
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    I disagree. I think Democrats vote party line an Republicans vote conscience
     
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    One complication is that Biden was working at the direction of Obama, he was Obama's representative in that demand to fire the prosecutor, with his blessings if not his orders. That presents another problem, the higher the trail leads the less likely it will actually be followed to the end. Too many oxen get gored in the process. Biden skates.
     
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    Had the President of the United States asked for or even demanded the removal of corruption to supply aid, it would be justified. However, once Congress has agreed to said aid it is no longer a Presidential choice without executive order. In this situation it seems clear the "Corruption" was very directed in scope to an individual vs. a country and no legal means were even attempted, that it was only exposed and the aid supplied after the fact makes the intention pretty obvious. For these reasons I voted No,
     
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    Enough of this bullshit. The United States and Ukraine have a binding Treaty which REQUIRES each respective country investigate potential crimes at the request of the other.....and it doesn't matter if they dangle a carrot or not....it's a damn treaty. A damn treaty APPROVED BY CONGRESS!!!!!!!!
     
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    If the President, the one in charge of foreign relations says hold on a minute, that's pretty much an executive order.
     
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    Of course Obama was well aware of it because Biden was enacting open and transparent US policy - the same policy as everyone else providing aid to Ukraine - that aid be contingent on anti-corruption efforts by the Ukrainian government.

    Prosecutor Shokin obstructed those efforts - he FAILED to actively investigate (let alone convict) anyone for corruption.

    This meant Ukraine had a choice - fire him, or risk losing all aid from the EU, IMF, EBRD, etc. etc. as well as the US.
     
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    There are two sides to that corruption story but one thing everyone agrees with is that it is a risky place to throw money at. Let's get the right people on the stand and ask real questions?
     
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    I have not heard of this treaty or the details you have revealed, please enlighten me.
     

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