The Electoral College achieved what the Framers feared most

Yes, there is. I can educate voters.

 

As for the point I am making, I wonder if people accept dogmas because they are cognitive of the problem and realize the need to deflect, or is it an unconscious process.

That's the problem. Your "point" is wondering, which isn't a point. How in your mind is "I wonder" considered a point?

 

A premise is a statement that has a proposition attached to it, ie has a truth value. 'If a person reacts a particular way' has a truth value to it. Now more specifically it's a conditional premise. If a is true, then b must be true as well. Since there are truth values attached to it, it is considered a premise. Now is it ambigious and made in such a way that it will be read as true regardless of what a person did or say? Yes, because I have no interest in nitpicking details when the point is to establish a base line. I can add more details and more arguments later to elucidate the point.

 

See.. your figuring it out

Vermont 3

South Dakota 3

North Dakota 3


Alaska 3

Montana 3

Delaware 3





The district of Columbia has 3 electorial votes


Yet every one is picking on Wyoming, from a late night talk show host.

 

The issue is there is nothing wrong with the EC.

 

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Oh so you just didn't know what I was saying.
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Have fun.

 

WTF? If a is true, (your premise?) then b must be true as well? You made no premise. You wondered. There is no "a is true" to you wondering".

 

Why do you think that? Or rather, what is the EC to you?

 

you wonder then bow out... how very lefty of you. Lefties couldn't argue their way out of a soggy bowl of cheerios.

What is your point? Forget about wondering, and try to think hard enough to figure out a point that doesn't involve you scratching your head and wondering.

 

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The states where large numbers of people live are the lifeblood and economic drivers of our economy,without them we are just a weak economic sparsely populated chunk of land.California alone has about 13% of our total population and a huge portion of our economic wealth.

 

We must have an Electoral College to have a United States. In a scenario where large population centers could fraudulently control federal politics, the U.S. goes poof. So appeals to do away with the EC are either pure hot air or appeals to anarchy. And I mean -right now- not last century. My state will -not- be tolerating California/NY rule, I can guarantee you that with absolute certainty. And can also guarantee that there are many swing states the same, let alone the more red states.

If there are any rational Constitutional or jurisprudential grounds for finding secession unlawful, removing the EC would instantly and irrevocably VOID them. It is very much a line in the sand, "take up arms" issue for tens of millions of Americans, the type of Americans who keep everything running smoothly, not singer songwriters, talk show hosts or grievance studies professors. We can home school our kids and grow our food, can you home school your power grid, logistics networks, infrastructure? Want to get rid of the EC? Better come up with Star Trek type "replicator" technology real fast.

Irrefutably legally incorrect and absurd to the point of puerility. Not surprised. Citizens of a state, and NOT "the American people" elect ONLY their House Rep as a matter of Constitutional mandate. Citizens of a state elect their Senators as a state-chosen privilege, and not legal right, which could lawfully be removed back to state legislatures. The "American People" do -not- elect the vast majority of government officials at all levels including at the federal level, not even remotely close. Your elementary school civics teacher did you no favors.

As has been hashed and rehashed many times of late, here and all over the net, we do not live in a democracy, a hybrid democracy, a democratic republic, an imperfect democracy or ANY form of type of democracy whatsoever. Our form of government, as a matter of law, is a Constitutional Republic. You are free to use the term "democracy" informally or describing the general -nature- of certain of our institutions, but we do not live in one as a matter of irrefutable fact and not opinion, no matter how much and how desperately you and yours appeal to it and try to weasel-backdoor into it.

CNN exit poll data, have linked it many times, you lot ignore it every single time and then repeat the exact same "Trump base" LIE narratives the very next day if not the very next thread, not doing it again. FACT: Trump won college educated whites. FACT: Trump won two of the top income hexiles, tied on one and lost one. FACT: Democrats won the bottom two income hexiles as they usually do.

Income correlates with both intelligence and true education level, not linking that either for a poster such as yourself. But this is common knowledge also.

Rest of post is just the typical dodge, not surprised and stand on prior points as not refuted.

 

No, that would be a precedent. The premise is the entire statement. As for wondering? Ignore the word wondering and instead think of my argument as an OR sub conclusion. Either the reaction is a conscious choice OR it is unconscious. Then I would have the space to test it out using inductive logic with a bit more logic.

Is this an important time to tell you that I actually am trying to find ways of smuggling logic into the social sciences as a means of improving reproducibllity of studies? Good results stem from good premises!

Who said I was bowing out? I'm saying have fun figuring out what I'm saying. You seem to not understand a lot of basic logic. I don't mind helping, but you need to admit that first.

 

Well, okay. maybe you could post your argument again. You started with "I wonder" which ain't nothing. stop wondering and start posting premises.

Maybe you're thinking that "I wonder" has some sort of validity to it, but I assure you that it doesn't.

and you can't...

hint: nobody cares what you wonder about. It might be about your neigobor's tits, or it could be how to add 1 and 1. Your precedent has nothing to do with basic logic.

Try again?

 

Oh my argument is for you to get off your high horse and actually engage the idea being presented. That idea being why should we accept the idea small states need protections from being states. To which you replied:

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umm... because? Just don't worry about that. You don't understand, so fret your head, no more. Just try to leave. You don't understand, and nobody cares to educate you.

Just try to leave."
-Post 31.

So get off your high horse and either debate the idea, or leave. TBH I need to go buy bread before the store closes. So if I don't respond to you, goodnight!

 

Small states need representation because without that, there is no reason to be a part of the union. It's not protections, but representation.

 

Maybe that's because a farmer in Montana is twice as valuable as a California lawyer or teacher.

So how many votes does the college educated Montana farmer get? I'm figuring if the non-college educated farmer gets 2.17 that maybe the farmer who has been to college should get 4.34 votes?

 

Not with the attitude you displayed in your first post of this thread.

 

It's not a high horse, but rather an understanding of logic. I'm not the best by a long shot, but talking about precedents made me laugh. There are precedents, but they need to precede logical argumentation. They don't make up the argument. They need to be part of a premise.

Do you remember the age old first day of logic class that goes...

Socrates is a man
All men are mortal
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.

Remember that one? Where is the precedent in that

 

And huge filth, a bubble that will burst if the rest of America doesn't save its ass..

 

Also the first and second amendment. Hey, just get rid of the Constitution altogether. It’s the New Democrat way.

 

Well it certainly has the most illegals and welfare recipients, will give you that much. Probably has a disproportionate percentage of the fecal matter on city streets nationwide also.

Oh, and lots of that "huge portion of economic wealth" you are mistakenly lumping into what is really just a very few big blue cities is decidedly red and wishing they weren't held hostage to those cities.

 

The entire problem with California, Oregon, on Washington state, the entire United states is going to have to step in to save them from themselves.

 

The link provided in the OP does not work. This is the link.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/205832/race-education-gender-key-factors-trump-job-approval.aspx

Sorry about that.

 

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