I think we should destroy Native American reservations!

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As one line in the "Maverick" movie describes it- we have a right to be angry because "They were on our land before we got here". There would have been no Indian wars, if we had not been determined to take the land they had possessed for thousands of years away from them. I think they have a right to be angry. And scalping- was used by some Europeans nearly a thousand years ago; it's not a native American invention- and it was used by us, probably first in this country. The Connecticut and Massachusetts colonies offered bounties for the heads of killed hostile Indians, and later for just their scalps, during the Pequot War in the 1630s.

    The reservations are now Indian land for the Indian nations, and are regulated by the Indians. However, reservation land is still "held in trust" by the US Government, so even an impoverished tribe they cannot buy or sell their land to improve their situation. We are still coveting control of what little land they have left.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    WHAT TF do they have that you don't have and want ?????????


    The reservations are NOT "monuments to a savage culture"" any more than gated WHITE communities are...



    Ya, sure... :roll:...LOL!

    Why not? Whites do....white wash their savagery...

    Besides, Indians do not worship nor white wash savagery...you have no proof they do.


    BTW, I see you didn't answer the question in my post you quoted so I made it bigger....
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    after not so long and not so careful consideration to the Reservation question.

    My answer is "no"

    I could elaborate more but I haven't deemed the subject worthy enough.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    By suggesting "Winning" means you believe they had a chance to "WIN" which they absolutely didn't ;) Unless you think hand to hand combat and bow and arrow were an equal match to musket and later lever action repeating cartridge rifles and revolving six shot handguns.. Even when the Indian did their best to avoid the white man, they were starved out from the wanton destruction of their primary food source for hide, and leaving the meat/animal to rot..

    It was never something the Indian could have won or stopped..
     
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    I know there are poor white people. I was born poor white trash. Fortunately there was almost no government free shat available back then.
     
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    No. It is beautiful that the white man conquered the Indians and took away their land and livelihood. The white man would always win in some manner, such as building dams and flooding out their hunting grounds or punching holes in the canoes of the Cree. The white man was just about invincible until his brain turned to mush.

    Winning and conquering are beautiful. Always have been. Always will be.
     
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  7. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Destroy them for what exactly? Do you want to live on that particular land or something? It's not like the US is running out of land area and they are in the way or anything...And if you like that particular geography then there is the exact same geography located in the states that these reservations are in that you are free to go to...
     
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    You are NOT a liberal unless the Russian version of liberal is very strange
     
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    The "noble savage myth" is a myth. . As horrific as civilized warfare has been, tribal warfare was far more deadly.

    "Mobilization was more complete in primitive warfare, Mr. Keeley contends. Battles went on more often. More people were killed and fewer prisoners were taken. Weapons were designed to inflict greater damage: the author cites arrowheads and spear points designed to break off in the wounds they caused, and the use of septic poisons intended to cause death long after contact.

    Territory was gained and held. Massacres occurred. And evidence of all this often predates contact with Western culture. "For example," Mr. Keeley writes, "at Crow Creek in South Dakota, archeologists found a mass grave containing the remains of more than 500 men, women and children who had been slaughtered, scalped and mutilated during an attack on their village a century and a half before Columbus's arrival (circa A.D. 1325)."

    Moreover, he argues, primitive cultures were rarely contaminated by contact with more civilized cultures. If anything, the influence occurred in reverse, as in the case described by a New Englander in 1677: "In our first war with the Indians, God pleased to show us the vanity of our military skill, in managing our arms, after the European mode. Now we are glad to learn the skulking way of war."
    NEW YORK TIMES, BOOKS OF THE TIMES;Even in Eden, It Seems, War Was Hell, By CHRISTOPHER LEHMANN-HAUPT, JULY 18, 1996.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/18/books/books-of-the-times-even-in-eden-it-seems-war-was-hell.html
     
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    Treating the current tribal cultures like the tribal raiders of the now distant past would be an horrific violation of their fundamental human rights.
     
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    And pointless...It's not like they are bothering anybody. I'm sure there may be more local issues in those particular areas just like any other community. But I stay pretty engaged with news and current events and I can't remember the last time I even heard about the reservations on the news for any reason. To be honest I forgot they were even there until I saw this thread...
     
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    Life on many of the reservations is very grim. The Feds, bless their hearts, have occasionally tried to help the tribes from the Grant administration on, but the results have never been very good.
     
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    Very grim is a understatement..
     
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    You seem obsessed with Russians... I can’t say I blame you since most of the elite in this country turned into Russel Crowe in “A Beautiful Mind”
     
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    Exactly why they need to be forced into a superior civilization
     
  16. FoxHastings

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    Looked up the Donner party yet? Why not?

    Are you going to contend that since white Christians ate each other crossing the mountains 200 years ago they are cannibals now ?

    Oh, wait, there is Jeffery Dohmer….he is white and current....:)
     
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    War run like a parade ground must have really been hell.
     
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    pfft... the savagery is far from over
     
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    Maybe because they were still in the stone age when Columbus showed up?
     
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    if possible... but that just opens up the possibility that it might happen to you.

    Stone age man vs. modern man?

     
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    They're no better or worse. They just lost. We'll lose some day.
     
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    Yup.....explain that to the OP who thinks only NativeAmericans ever did anything wrong...……...
     
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    American militias would have destroyed the British army after the first 2 engagement if they had not run out of ammunition at Breeds Hill. After that America almost lost the revolution fighting "parade ground" battles.
     
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    The Indian reservations, like Baltimore, Detroit Chicago and our Urban Hells are a creation of progressive Western civilizations. The tribal raiding native American culture was erased over a century ago.
     
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    There are very few examples of modern armies defeating a primitive warrior culture without adopting the tactics and strategies of the primitive warriors. The US military seems to have forgotten most of the lessons learned the hard way from the Indians.
     
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