UK Conservatives win BIG: Boris Johnson hails 'new dawn' after historic victory

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please stop saying I have said things I did not. I do believe they are probably the ones who 'lent' their vote to the Tories. Reality is very few voters left Labour for the tories. Labour lost 2.6 million votes. The Tories only got 304000 of them. The rest went to the LibDems, Greens, SNP and Brexit. The idea that people have been leaving Labour for the Tories en mass is not true. At the same time it makes sense that the Far Right will be moving to the UK far right party which is Boris Johnson's Tories.
     
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    The Unions take funding from the EU - mmmm because it wasn't a secret ballot.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not give evidence of this happening which no one else has heard of.
     
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    Workers rights are better in the UK, for workers, than anywhere else in the EU and our food standards where always higher that the rest of Europe when we could make our own decisions.
    I mean honestly - whose lawyers wrote all of the HR conventions out of our own laws, which are still in situ?
     
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    Exactly, and if a government did decide to scrap them or lower standards to the point we are unhappy, we can chuck them out!
     
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    Will the UK be in a more powerful or less powerful position to negotiate after Brexit?
     
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    To negotiate what and with whom?
     
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    You really don't understand the way the EU works do you, alexa?
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Probably in a better position to do dirty finance deals but obviously the UK will be much weaker not as part of the EU and very likely splitting up itself. Some people believe we are still an Empire and will return to that. I believe Brexit is part of the Global elite making their last tons of money prior to Climate disaster and the end of Neo Liberalism.

    Some people did have genuine reasons for voting Brexit - for instance Fisheries did and people wanting to move out of neo liberalism. A lot were used. In the Scottish Indyref, Radical Independence went to all the estates where people had not voted for 20 years and did not think it was worth voting and told them this time it was. This time they could really change and a fair number of them came and tried. The Scottish Indyref appears to have been a dry run for Brexit. They then stole all our slogans and they too went to the estates where people had not voted for 20 years believing their vote would make no change. However they, and the Brexit Leaders are an elite mob, and they told the people to vote Brexit to get back at Government. They've been using them all the time and the worst thing is, they have responded to all the lines the Tory Brexiters gave them. They will be the ones who will suffer most from Brexit....
    but everything is changing.
    Neo Liberalism cannot provide a decent standard of living for big Western Populations and the Climate is soon going to be presenting issues which will affect us all so who knows what tomorrow will bring...but with this lot - their last chance to screw the country and make a few billion. The Hedge Funds who are funding them have made massive bets on a No Deal exit.
     
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    The old Labour heartlands did not give the Cons their vote easily. They had to have a very good reason to put their cross in a box which hurt them to do so - When ex miners who were in the battle of Orgreave vote Blue you know something is seriously wrong with their own party and it is their own party. There used to be miners on the front bench of the Labour Party, who would leave Westminster, on a second class ticket go home on the train and go straight down the pit. Labour's front bench is now full of middle class, millionaires from London who not only have turned their back on their voters but insulted them to boot - calling them stupid, ignorant, racists, bigots and so on and so forth.
    Five main reasons for seats which have never ever voted Blue before 1) Brexit. Brexit was a working class vote which Parliament, especially Labour, have been thwarting for three whole years. 2) Mass immigration - which affects these areas badly for eg people waiting 3 months for a Drs appointment 3) They don't like Corbyn and don't believe all his millions of promises = every thing to be free. 4)Labour has done nothing for them in all of the years since Thatcher closed down their livelihood. 5) Last but not least, Sovereignty.
    Farage's Brexit Party stood in for the Right, as a choice, but he simply lost the Tories up to twelve more seats.
     
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    There is a lot of reasons why Labour did not win. Here's a good report

    https://www.paulmason.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/After-Corbynism-v1.2.pdf

    However the passing of their votes to the Tories was small. Out of the 2.6million votes Labour lost only 304,000 went to the Tories. They are now the hard Right Trump party and most likely those are the ones who voted for them.

    The Farage thing was a set up to get a more extreme brand of Tories in. I think it should be being looked at for legality.
     
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    The majority of countries are net exporters and looking for buyers. We are a huge importer and consumer of goods, everyone wants to find a buyer. I have no doubt exports will be tough but imports I believe will ultimately lower prices. Our tech, service, financial and law industries are highly sought after.
     
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    Watch BJ move the conservatives to the centre now he has a huge majority and sell out the far right. Genius politics, knock out the far right and left at the same time whilst dominating the centre for a generation.

    Side note: I am a member of the Labour Party and will do everything I personally can to take the party back to the centre and dismiss Corbynism, Momentum, Novaro Media, and the far left.
     
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    xxx Good luck xxx we need a good opposition. Without it our system just doesn't work but you have your work cut out for you.

    I have, since the last Wilson gov done as WC Fields, never vote for, always voted against, until this election when I voted Tory for the first time in my life - strange feeling that, for so many many of us it was.
     
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    It often isn't many actual votes which swing it. It is down to where the votes are, of course.

    Don't need to read it alexa - I live here. I know what happened and why.

    Here is a small look at Bolsover which was Dennis Skinner's seat for 49 yrs.

     
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    I agree, our system depends on strong opposition.

    Regarding your other video, utterly disgraceful that Skinner didn't even turn up to the vote count or speak afterwards.
     
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    He had just had a hip replacement op.
     
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    I must say that I didn't like seeing her sitting in his seat - but who else could? I suppose ---

     
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    The picture is Boudica. Mackerel spotted ginger tabby, Queen.
    Sadly, no longer with us.

    The way I see it, if Boris is to stick to his 31st December 2020 deadline for completing the new trade deal then he is going to have to keep a lot of the EU regulations.
     
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    I stand corrected.
     
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    Beautiful cat!

    There’s no chance a deal gets done by December 2020. I personally think BJ will sell out the leavers and deliver a watered down brexit. I’m a leave voter but I understand there has to be compromise. A no deal would be awful for us and the EU, so there’s not a chance in hell that happens. My money is on an extension and as you say, very close links to the EU.
     
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    Boris is planning to add an amendment to the withdrawal deal which doesn't allow an extension to the transition period.
    Of course, he can always change it later if he still needs one.
     
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    In UK law - It cannot apply to the EU and or the WA but, as a temp plaster, it protects Parliament against Gina Miller and co, no?
     
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    Ahhhh Puss cat xxx

    Surely the sticking point is about whether we keep them overall or whether we do only in connection with the EU. I can't see it as a huge problem to keep the regs for trade with the EU only, it isn't.
     
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    Then the UK would have to have hard borders with the EU to ensure non-compliant produce doesn't get exported from us to them.
    A hard border with our main markets would be a hindrance to trade and have a big negative consequence on the economy.
     

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