Read: Trump letter to Pelosi on impeachment

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not even the fact that many in the Trump cult hide their head in Sean Hannity's ass makes impeaching a President unconstitutional.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fox New communicates talking points which come from the modern Nationalist movement and so does Trump. Fox is better at written and oral communications for obvious reasons; Trump is better at carrying out actions than he is at writing. Trump did have to learn politics in a crash course, so you can say that he is "pulling the levers", but while he does agree with an America First nationalist direction for the country, the levers being pulled on the details come from behind the scenes advisors.

    Trump is comparable to his all-time favorite President Andrew Jackson...loud, boisterous, accused of having no respect for the law or for the elite political class. Jackson believed that the government was going in the direction of serving the elite-class only while the ordinary citizens suffered...so he was elected as one of the first major Populist presidents to break the overreach of power by the political establishment....very often ineloquently, like a bull in a china shop.

    American business leaders are not scared out of their minds by Trump's word-vomit writing style; they are scared out of their minds by the likes of very eloquent career-politician Elizabeth Warren and her tax plans.

    Anyway, the letter was addressed to Pelosi, but it was written for the public Nationalists to once again drive home a point that the ingrained political establishment in Washington will steamroll anyone who tries to reduce their power and put that power back into the hands of the people.
     
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    Sorry, as was already pointed out by another poster, the second sentence of the first paragraph is already demonstrably false. The constitution gives the house the sole power of impeachment and the rights to set the rules; rules that were set by republicans during the impeachment of Clinton.
    He probably had the same lawyer input on this as the one who penned the letter saying Trump was being denied due process in a political investigation. The man sides himself with morons and the intellectually dishonest.
     
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    A magnificent letter. Sums up where we are politically in 2019. Trump’s list of accomplishments was mind blowing.

    And if the Dems expect any “witnesses” to be called at the trial who they didn’t bother to contact for their dog and pony show, they’ll be deeply disappointed.
     
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  5. Gatewood

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    Trump did not write that the corrupt to the core Left's leadership could not impeach him, he simply pointed out that there is supposed to be actual documented evidence of wrong doing; of which there is not; there is only leftist politicians issuing their usual opinions regarding events. So no, there is no lie there. There are no lies anywhere in this letter. The political Left is deliberately using the known INTENT of the Constitution regarding impeachment for their political toilet paper.
     
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    Wrong.
     
  7. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    "Intent"? That's hilarious! So the defense you are hearing on your wingnut radio is that Trump is innocent because his abuse of power was intentional?

    Looks like they ran out of excuses, didn't they?
     
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    Nope, I think he's more a f****ing retard.
     
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    Implying you’re not parroting the words of numerous posters on this and many other forums...
     
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    It will be interesting to see what history writes in 50 years on the Trump presidency. I don't think it as black and white as either side wants to see it today. Any officials involved in the FISA warrants that surveilled the Trump campaign should be considered for charges as, based on the FISC Judge's comments this week, the warrants would have never been issued!

    It is also very interesting how so many believe the President should not be allowed to speak up publicly in defense of himself while Pelosi, Schiff and their band of clowns not only vilify him in the media but also convict him with no facts! Something the Dems have attempted since he won the election FAIRLY based on the constitution!
     
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    Thank you for your valuable input. Hope posting that wasn’t too exhausting for ya.
     
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    'Pattern of intent' is what the first article is about and the second the dem clown show is saying that they decide if subpoena's are valid and not to courts. Pretty weak tea.
     
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    At this point, I couldn't care less about witnesses or "Dog and Pony" shows.

    Everyone knows that The Senate will never get the 67 Votes to Convict.

    America will just have to be happy in the knowledge that Trump will forever be known as a Historical DISGRACE...

    ...As an Impeached President...:salute:
     
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    Well, for the left aesthetics are more important than actions. They loved Obama because he could read a teleprompter. They hate Trump even though his actions have improved America.
     
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    Today with be the finale of the House's dog and pony show. The Rules committee yesterday, composed of 9 Democrats and 4 Republicans, voted not to allow any discussion, motion to take a different course, submit amendments to the articles or anything else other than "debate" the Democrats' Articles of Impeachment.

    Since they won't allow any dissent, and they have the majority votes needed to impeach, why schedule 6 hours of debate? Because - The Showmanship. They should just open the session, vote to impeach, then get back to some real legislative work (which they avoid like the plague).
     
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    You left out religious zealot as that's how they refer to Pence.
     
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    Yeah...like Bill Clinton right? Clinton's popularity grew after impeachment.
     
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    The following are ten of the key highlights from that letter…

    #1 “This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers, unequaled in nearly two and a half centuries of American legislative history.”

    #2 “By proceeding with your invalid impeachment, you are violating your oaths of office, you are breaking your allegiance to the Constitution, and you are declaring open war on American Democracy.”

    #3 “Even worse than offending the Founding Fathers, you are offending Americans of faith by continually saying you pray for the President when you know this statement is not true, unless it is meant in a negative sense.”

    #4 “You know full well that Vice President Biden used his office and $1 billion dollars of US aid money to coerce Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was digging into the company paying his son millions of dollars.”

    #5 “Now you are trying to impeach me by falsely accusing me of doing what Joe Biden has admitted he actually did.”

    #6 “You have developed a full-fledged case of what many in the media call Trump Derangement Syndrome and sadly, you will never get over it!”

    #7 “You view democracy as your enemy!”

    #8 “You are the ones interfering in America’s elections. You are the ones subverting America’s Democracy.”

    Me likey this one best ...
    #9 “More due process was afforded to those accused in the Salem Witch Trials.”

    #10 “Any member of Congress who votes in support of impeachment against every shred of truth, fact, evidence, and legal principle, is showing how deeply they revile the voters and how truly they detest America’s Constitutional order.”
     
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    Watched most of it. They still cannot explain their spying on other members of Congress and journalists.
     
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    Who has claimed that the president is not allowed to speak up publicly in his defense?

    It is telling, though, that neither the president, nor the cabal that was involved first hand in this mess (Mulvaney, Pompeo, Bolton) testify to congress. Why? Because Trumps advisers know that the he would perjure himself. He himself seems to be still deluded that he could "win" if he would testify.
     
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    Well... there is. But there doesn't have to be. Not at this point. Because this is the impeachment portion. Which means, more or less, the investigative part. The documented evidence is supposed to come out at the trial. The fact that there is so much ample documented evidence already is an added bonus. All witnesses.... read again: every single one of the fact witnesses (first hand, second hand... any number of "hands" you want)... even the ones requested by Republicans... have produced evidence that condemns Trump. All documents: every single one of them points to Trump's guilt. Including the documents made public by the White House. Not a single exculpatory witness or document is anywhere to be seen. We must just somehow... accept... that they "exist".

    But, of course, if at this point... with all the evidence that is already out there, you still deny that it exists... there is no point. Not even a video of Trump pointing a gun at Zolensky's head would convince you. So what's the point?

    The next step is to make it available to the public. So that when Republican Senators vote to protect Trump despite all the evidence, the American people will understand that they do so out of pure partisanship, and zero patriotism.
     
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    It would also appear that the House has given up on compelling the testimony of Pompeo and Bolton. How ironic then, for them to claim 'Obstruction' when their efforts haven't been consistent nor persistent in the eyes of the law. But then, it's a House under Pelosi's "leadership", so it shouldn't be surprising.
     
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    10 "Key Highlights" that show that Trump is Completely off of his rocker (and lacks the mental stability to be the President)?

    10 "Key Highlights" illustrating why they should invoke he 25th Amemdment?

    Got it.
     
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    Sorry, he claimed that their impeachment is an unconstitutional abuse of power. That is not the case. They are acting on the facts available to them. If they were intent on impeaching him without cause they would have done it over the muller report findings. They waited till they found something worthy of impeachment.
     
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    Psst! 11 comes after 10. :)
     

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