Supreme Court ruling pulls rug out from under article of impeachment

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  1. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    The SCOTUS ruled to hear cases that lower courts ruled against Trump regarding subpoenas and Executive privilege. Trump is right. He can defy a subpoena until ordered to comply by the SCOTUS.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judicia...lls-rug-out-from-under-article-of-impeachment

    BY ALAN DERSHOWITZ
    BTW, "Dershowitz also campaigned against the election of Donald Trump during the United States presidential election of 2016 and has been critical of many of his actions" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

    Two points made by Alan D. The POTUS has the right to challenge subpoenas, and the House must use the courts to enforce subpoenas.

    That said, I don't expect the deranged, ignorant buffoons in the Democrat Party to see the light. They will press on in spite of the obvious, and in the end, will lose their grip on the House majority when we vote them out of power in 2020.
     
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    No man is above the law
     
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    Tell that to the Clintons & Bidens.
     
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    Agreed.. Nor is congress!
     
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    Separation of powers exist for a reason.
     
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    Tell that to the Clintons, Obama, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, Page, Ohrs, etc.
     
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    That's your argument? Not much of an argument, is it?
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Or how about tell it to the SCOTUS, since they seem to agree with Trump.
     
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    Actually, a man serving in the Office of the President of the United States can be considered above the law as the office can claim Executive Privilege.

    Obama asserted it for the Operation Fast and Furious document request by the DOJ.
     
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    Neither is Congress.
     
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    Only with Congress. They can't to a criminal investigation.
     
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    This is an OPINION Piece.

    And, Dershowitz is Dead WRONG.
     
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    Then refute his argument.....if you can
     
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    That was different for a couple of reasons. First of all, orange man bad. Secondly, Obama is a Democrat.
     
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    And in what way exactly have they declared themselves above the law?
     
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    Charging POTUS with obstruction of Congress, when in fact, the Constitution separates powers, delegating enforcement of subpoenas to the Judicial branch.
     
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    From everything I have read they are following a process laid out in the constitution

    Glad to see a quote showing I am wrong
     
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    I am certainly no Constitutional scholar, but the author of the OP article is a Harvard Law professor.
     
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    Only illegals in America
     
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    And is only one opinion

    We always knew this would go to scouts which is why the democrats are moving withou those witnesses

    Interesting point though
    https://www.rcfp.org/journals/fast-furious-and-executive-pr/

    And again we come to the point where we have to apply a standard “is this for public good or personal good?”

    It is hard to argue that Trumps actions are in the public good
     
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    Bulldust!
     
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    I can't say that. By protecting executive privilege, Trump protects the office he holds against abuses by the Legislative branch. Also, I don't know what he may be protecting because I am not privileged to know these things. Thus, executive privilege.
    It is interesting that the article you linked to regards the Fast and Furious investigation conducted by Obama, who also refused to comply with subpoenas but was not himself impeached.
     
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    Sanctuary cities and states.. illegals are above the law


    I was just reading this fact check article..


    And it lies


    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/11/meme-misleads-on-benefits-of-illegal-immigration/


    Yes illegals can get drivers license California and illionois for example


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    Yes illegals can vote in some elections


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893221
     
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    The right wing never-truthers like the idea of packing the Court with Judges that see it their way. The constitution gives the right of impeachment to the House not the courts.. Dershowitless now argues that the First and Second Amendment go too far and give the House too much power. Ironically he suggests breaking the law if necessary as a means of changing our constitution. But the lawful way to change articles is through congress or with amendments that must be voted on. Congress represents the will of the people more accurately than the Supreme Court. . Psycho-Trump and his never-truthers have no concerns regarding the will of the people the law and the constitution..
     
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    Not questioning the authority to impeach rests in the House. But, the authority to enforce subpoenas does not. The House can issue a subpoena, but the POTUS can refuse to comply and take it to the Court, or wait for the House to take him to the Court. That is how it is supposed to be done, not issue articles of impeachment for obstruction of Congress when the subpoenas have not been heard by the Supreme Court.
     
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