Despite threat, Republicans block election security bills

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  1. modernpaladin

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    No. I've spoken with you enough to know that anything associated with Trump is 'bad' and theres no reasoning with you about it. I have better things to do. Anyone reading this dialogue can 'wade through the file' and judge for themselves whether the endless list of new compliances that would be imposed on state agencies by fed agencies without any say by state legislative bodies undermines state authority or not.
     
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    Oh yeah, you are superior and always do what is right. I'm just the conservative deplorable.
    We will never stop any foreign country from some degree of meddling in our elections. Just like we do in theirs.
     
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    Unfortunately he was wrong. Apparently the decentralization makes it easier to hack the state systems. Russia was successful accessing all 50 state systems. They achieved their goal of letting us know it was possible and that is really all they needed to do—sow doubt.

    The administration and Senate Republicans aren’t reacting to the attack on the country simply because if things don’t go their way the doubt card is a tool that can be used.

    Obama was responding to Trump playing the card in ‘16 without evidence or Trump was being his usual irresponsible conspiracy theory wielding self. Instead of internal actors rigging the vote—the conspiracy theory—we now have evidence external actors have the capability to rig the vote.

    This election is going to be butt ugly.
     
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    The claims of the DNI, special counsel, and the FBI director.

    That is a foolish hypothetical. Trump is a complete jerk, divisive, and he is creating chaos within the federal government. Of course, his friend Putin would want Trump to serve another term. What's not to like?
     
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    Changing the votes is not the main issue. That is why Trumpets keep talking about it. The issue is a massive campaign similar to 2016 where the Russians provided dirt on the Clinton campaign and attempted to create divisions within the American people. The Senate committee, FBI, and DNI (who was recently fired) all agree the Russians are better at it now.

    By concentrating your efforts on changing the vote, a remote possibility so says the Senate Intelligence Committee chaired by a Republican, you are diverting attention away from the real threat. Why is that? Where are you from?

    Paper ballots are susceptible to voter fraud, which happens about once in a million votes as proven by Trump's voter fraud committee which had to be disbanded due to lack of voter fraud.
     
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    That's a core part of hr 2722 Safe act... Why would Democrats think they get to make legislation? Barack told republicans to sit in the back and enjoy the ride cause their not getting the keys ...... Remember?
     
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    You (and Trump) WILLINGLY accept help from the Russians.

    This is NOT a case of "what can we do to stop it".

    You can't stop what you WANT to happen
     
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    Russian help is a win win for Republicans.

    If it works...they win. If it doesn't...they scream that the Russians screwed up the election
     
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    You mean like Hillary is doing all over the world.
     
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    And the special counsel, and the DNI, and the director of the FBI, and the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    Do you enjoy making yourself look foolish on the internet?
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you? What's a "that's?"
     
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    All I said was, "If you disagree, be specific in telling me why." I guess you couldn't do that.
     
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    Couldn't =/= wouldn't. And I don't need to to counter your narrative.
     
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    Paper ballots...... Again since no vote was changed why change the way the votes are tallied



    Summary: H.R.2722 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)All Information (Except Text)
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    There is one summary for H.R.2722. Bill summaries are authored by CRS.

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    Introduced in House (05/14/2019)

    Securing America's Federal Elections Act or the SAFE Act

    This bill addresses election security through grant programs and requirements for voting systems and paper ballots.

    The bill establishes requirements for voting systems, including that systems (1) use individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballots; (2) make a voter's marked ballot available for inspection and verification by the voter before the vote is cast; (3) ensure that individuals with disabilities are given an equivalent opportunity to vote, including with privacy and independence, in a manner that produces a voter-verified paper ballot; and (4) be manufactured in the United States.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2722
     
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    Obama not only knew what the Russians were doing, he allowed it to continue. Obama said our elections can't be rigged.
    Just another piece of crap tossed at the wall to see it not stick, just like everything else the Dems have tried.
     
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    Are you making this up as you along? You say something strange, and, for the second time, you provide no link. You are just wasting everyone's time.
     
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    Of course, you don't. There is no need for you to substantiate what you said.
     
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    This isn't about Obama. Why do Trumpets always want to change the subject to a President we haven't had in over 30 months?
     
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    Recently, McConnell felt it was necessary to defend his decision, but the undying Trump loyalist only provided a diversion. He defended himself against an imagined critique. A critique he chose rather than the real one.

    Mitch McConnell took to the Senate floor Monday to blast the "hyperventilating hacks" who have accused him a being a Russian sympathizer.

    He compared the attacks to "modern-day McCarthyism."

    These are the attacks he chose. No reliable, respected news source has labeled McConnell a "Russian sympathizer."

    Then McConnell made the mistake of singling out the cause of his angst. "Over the last several days, I was called unpatriotic, un-American and essentially treasonous by a couple of left-wing pundits on the basis of bold-faced lies," McConnell said. "I was accused of aiding and abetting the very man I've singled out as an adversary and opposed for nearly 20 years, Vladimir Putin."

    Those "left-wing pundits" are Joe Scarborough of MSNBC fame and Dana Milbank of the Washington post. Those two left-wing pundits do not speak for the American people, the news media, not even MSNBC or the Post. They expressed their personal opinions.

    McConnell chose these two as targets because, like Trump and his outrageous, immature tweets, the majority leader thinks Trump's gullible base will believe his rant and ignore the real reason he blocked the two bills and the harsh criticism that immediately followed.

    Like Trump, McConnell chose extremists views and characterized them as representative of the news media. Once again, only Trump's base will believe such nonsense. No serious news correspondent believes McConnell is a communist sympathizer. That is absurd.

    McConnell's reason for blocking the two bills is much more basic. He got marching orders from his boss. According to his boss, the Russian threat is just a "ridiculous hoax."

    "There was no defense to this ridiculous hoax, this witch hunt, that's been going on for a long time, pretty much from the time I came down on the escalator with our first lady," Trump said after Mueller's testimony.
     
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    Facts first: While there is evidence that the Obama administration struggled with how to deal with Russia's election meddling, it did make attempts to get Russia to stop, and also to tell the American public about what the Russians were up to. Those attempts appear to have had little to no impact on Russia's behavior, and the public did not fully grasp the extent of the meddling until well after the election.

    Top Obama administration officials issued repeated warnings to Russia to stop their interference in the US election. Obama said he himself told Russian President Vladimir Putin in September 2016 "to cut it out," vowing "serious consequences" if he did not.
    In October 2016, the US Intelligence Community issued a statement that it was "confident" that the Russian government was behind the the theft and dissemination of Democratic officials' emails.

    Obama administration officials sought support from bipartisan congressional leaders to send a letter to state governors to urge shoring up of their defenses of election infrastructure. But, as reported by CNN in August 2017, they were rebuffed by Republican leaders, who viewed the request as partisan, according to current and former officials briefed on the discussions.

    The Obama administration subsequently issued a set of sanctions to punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 election and booted 35 Russian diplomats the US accused of being intelligence officers.

    Still, some Democratic members of Congress and some former Obama administration officials -- privately at least -- have criticized Obama for not doing enough to thwart the Russian election interference campaign.

    After the election, Obama said during a news conference at the White House that he worried overly public US efforts to draw attention to the interference could be viewed as political interference and would not necessarily "spook the Russians."

    "We were playing this thing straight — we weren't trying to advantage one side or another other," Obama said. "Imagine if we had done the opposite. It would have become one more political scrum."
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/fact-check-trump-claims-obama-did-nothing-russia/index.html
     
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    Notably Moscow Mitch McConnell
     
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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html
     
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    social media cant interefere with normal people's minds...

    those that it does should not be allowed to vote on anything, ever...
     

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