Authoritarianism

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ImNotOliver, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. gabmux

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    enhance...to improve or increase in quality, value, or power.
    Still talking in circles I see.
     
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    Let me rephrase my post for the sake of clarity.

    I doubt that logic can "enhance your life", but I hope that you life improves nonetheless.
     
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    Logically, you can't improve on perfection and hope implies waiting for the future which we all know doesn't exist.
     
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    You write as if you are looking down on Democrats for caring about the underclass. Yet you are here putting on display much that I find rather repulsive, as to Republican ideology. You start off with one of those false memes conservatives like to banter about. Sure the Democrats want to enslave the people with free goodies. Make everyone dependent. It doesn't reflect reality, but it reflects the fact that conservatives don't experience the same reality as liberals. I don't have to make up things to make my case. You can see it as conservatives claim that liberals want a dependent class. It is as far outside of reality as the denial of global warming and Trump did nothing wrong.

    Before coming here to PF, about the only conservatives I was hearing, was what I'd hear on the Radio, or when I talked to my brothers. For a long time I mistook ya all for a fringe group. There is like a whole army of you out there.

    Kind of reminds me of a trip I once took through the South. The belly of the beast, as my daughter called it. At a social gathering in Georgia I met a woman, all prim and proper. A real beautiful Southern Belle, she spoke with such eloquence and charm, even n***** rolled off her tongue with such ease and grace. "Those damn liberals, they're ruining our country".
     
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    Perhaps you aren’t “making up things” to make your case, but I think you may just be unaware of any but your own “reality”.

    In many parts of the country republicans/conservatives not only care about others, they actually use their OWN time and resources to help them. They don’t have to ascribe to authoritarian principles to make a difference like progressives do.
     
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    Is "the brotherhood of man" really just an illusion?
     
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    I'm sure that religion began as stories people told each other around the fire in the evening. At some point they became dogma. Once dogma set in, religion became a tool for the powerful to control the people. To establish social order. For about a thousand years, the Catholic Church worked hand in hand with the royal families who ruled Europe. The Church gave their blessings to the rulers and preached a message that kept people compliant. For this they were richly rewarded.

    The Koran is basically a book telling people how to live. Yet its end result seems to always end up with a despotic ruler on top.

    I however take the line of thinking that is used in Star Trek and The Orville. That religion is a passing stage that all civilizations go through on their way to becoming a higher civilization. The people who wrote the Bible and other religious texts, were of a far lower intelligence than modern man. Even the founding fathers, by today's standards, would be considered to have average intelligence. An average college student of today can learn everything Newton gave us, in half a semester. A couple of semesters to learn most of Einstein.

    By the way, I read Jefferson's Bible, where he took the four gospels and cut and pasted them into a fluid story line. Jefferson didn't believe in the supernatural or miracles, as so left those parts out. So the emmaculate conception was left out, as was turning water into wine and walking on water.

    Even without the supernatural, the story reads of a man who went around preaching love and compassion. But in the end, as he hangs there, dying on the cross, and he looks up to the heavens and asks, "Father, why have you forsaken me?" and it ended there, leaving Jesus sounding a bit self deluded. When asked about his religion, Jefferson would often reply with that he thought Jesus had a great philosophy, the love and compassion and all.
     
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    Not at all...
    It's just deliberately ignored out of selfishness and greed.
    Once the truth is hidden, you can justify anything no matter how atrocious.
     
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    It exists. It’s actually quite common in places. And yes it’s ignored. And I agree it’s being suppressed to divide and conquer. Unfortunately the atrocities are coming...
     
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    I look down at Democrats because they don't give a damn about the poor actually living here. They loathe poor Americans and they prove it by bringing in alien poor to compete against them and drive down their already poor wages. It is a scumbag move that only enriches the privileged classed. The most repugnant aspect is the Democrats dressing it up as empathy..... that is just sociopathic.

    I dislike the democrats because they pretend to care about the underclass that they are attacking. If they actually gave a damn they quit supporting policies that harm the classes they faux care about.
     
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    Thank you for reply.
    Yep seems the history and stories eventually led to dogma and a control method.
    Perhaps before they were misused, they did serve as a refuge from the pains of humanity.
    But that type of relief proves to be temporary at best even for churches today.
    Yep I envision a Star Trek type of society as being the best possibility if humans are to survive their own destruction. But even the Star Trek saga at times suggested there was something beyond any human intelligence. Something that human intelligence at it’s peak cannot begin to describe simply because the comprehension and words do not exist.
    Hence the reason for speaking in parables. What other form of communication is there to describe something that there are no words to describe.
    I guess maybe...in some sense, you could reduce everything he said
    to simply preaching love and compassion. The same thing is said of St. Francis of Assisi.
    Lots of so called religious leaders preach love and compassion. But few are revered.
    What might be interesting to note is that Jesus and St. Francis and a mere handful of others
    in recorded history pointed to the same thing...which none of them had accurate words to describe.
     
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    Giving people access to nutrition and education is such a horrible thing to do. Just as bad as ensuring everyone has rights and freedoms. I mean how horrible can Democrats be going after the wealthy to pay taxes, while pushing for a higher minimum wage.
     
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    Do you mean like Stanley Milgram demonstrated in his experiments?
     
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    The atrocities happen on a daily basis. They've been happening for a long time. They are part of the human condition.

    For example, Julian Assange has been imprisoned by the "democratic forces of western governments" for 8+ years and today sits in Belmarsh Prison in London, his 'crime' was publishing the truth.
     
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    Good point. They will become more common in the future. The USA has been less than perfect in this regard, but a world without it’s buffering influence would be much worse.
     
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    Doesn't seem to be much incentive to speak truth and yet there are still some who are willing to stick their necks out
    like Dr. Hill and Lt. Col. Vindman and very few others. Why do those people take the risk when everyone else
    simply looks the other way?
     
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    Funny you think unelected bureaucrats that think they run foreign policy are hero’s. BTW, making assumptions is nothing heroic.
     
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    But if the sheriff was planning to raid your house and take all your guns and ammo,
    wouldn’t you appreciate someone who warned you ahead of time? At least you could have time
    to get them out the house and deny ever having them.
     
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    How could fewer innocents killed by drones at funerals and wedding parties be worse?
     
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    Yes perhaps that may account for the current popularity of Trumpism.

    Trump-ism: A religious cult whose members are most frequently identified by their daily ritual of placing their heads where the sun don’t shine. Non-cult members are referred to as “Trump haters”
    in much the same way that the Christian cult labels non-Christians “heathens”.
    Likewise the Trumpists and the Christians believe non-followers will be condemned to a place called “hell” if they do not except Trumpian doctrine, which is based on what they call “alternative facts”.
    It is not yet clear whether “hell” is an imaginary place or an actual location.
    But both Trumpists and Christians seem to indicate it is somewhere below which has led some to theorize that the word “hell” may have some connection to the Trumpian head placement ritual described above.
     
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    You honestly think the world would be a more peaceful place with less death of innocents if the US didn’t exist?
     
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    If the US government governed in accordance with constitutional principles and restraints we would all be better off, and we would not be in a situation of permanent undeclared and illegitimate war.

    I'm sure as hell not advocating to abolish the US, and your question in that regard is absurd, but I am advocating for constitutional governance. The war of terror is a hoax and a crime.
     
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    Cool! Then we are in agreement. You seemed to disagree with my statement the US is less than perfect but a force for good overall. I have yet to meet anyone who likes droning weddings. :)
     
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    Most human efforts are less than perfect, for sure.

    But given the situation since 2001, by its many actions, the US is NOT a force for good. We can certainly strive for that, and I'm all for that noble ideal represented IMO by the Nuremberg trials after WWII, but under the auspices of the fraudulent AUMF we are a force for torture, military aggression, deception and censorship. It doesn't make me happy, but I must face the facts.
     
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    What’s your stance on prevention of genocide etc. by US intervention?
     

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