UK lawmakers back Boris Johnson's withdrawal bill in major step toward Brexit

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong. The electorate is acting in the way I said. This has been analysed by many people possibly the most interesting is an academic who I only heard about a few days ago and whose name I have forgotten. What is interesting is that prior to the 2015 election he was invited to speak to Ed Miliband and his team about the changes which had happened which I spoke about. He said that when he finished talking they just got up and left. It was clear that they had not been moved at all - and what he was talking about was true and is what we hear spoken about again and again - people complaining about 'identity politics', on going strong increase in racism along with a demand it be accepted, lowest paid people on zero hours contracts believing they are entrepreneurs and so believing they are Tories and the end of the Labour parties base which it turned against when it went with neo liberallism in 1997 with Blair and left them to fend for themselves. Those people first went with the BNP, then UKIP and now some the Tories which the Leader of Britain First the most far right group in the UK now is happy to call his and his party.

    So Labour did not listen to advice on how the attitudes of people in the UK had changed. He then went and spoke to the Tories apparently believing that that is the fair thing to do - give both Major Parties the information. When he arrived at the Tories room there was only one man in it. He spoke to this one man. When he had finished this guy asked question after question, asked how he knew this and that. The academic said he was clearly someone very knowledgeable on such things and very aware of how to deal with them. Now I would need to find that video and watch the rest but I can tell you that from the questions this one Tory man asked the academic it occurred to me that they had used that knowledge exceedingly well in their manipulation of the wc electorate., By not accepting it because it made them feel badly about their own voters and was expressing views they could not accept, Labour lost.

    You though are missing a very important point about what is happening in the UK. The Tories may have got 43% of the vote of those who voted however Labour got 57% of the vote from those who were under 25 and I think it was 56% of the vote of those under 45. This share to Labour got less as people got older. The disgusting overt racism which Paul Mason experienced strongly came from the over 60's - people not working and people living in areas where there are very few people of colour.

    The young in the UK did not vote for the Tories. They are the people who are going to be most affected.

    F off. That is the basis from what I was writing. Seems you are so determined to start abusing me that you did not even read (or understand) what I wrote. However the far right do not have the vote of the under 45's in the UK and only gradually does this increase so that their major vote comes from those who are retired.

    more unintelligent insults. It is not what I am selling. I never was a supporter of New Labour and that is what you are talking about.

    The under 45's in the UK do not support the extremism you are advocating. From that age the numbers go up but most of all it is the over 60's and retired in the UK who are the people you support. I of course am among that age so even we are not all included.



    Show me this. I find you wrongly stating what I have said, claiming I have a position I do not and your insults towards me deeply degrade you.
     
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  2. UK_archer

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    In fact the crossover point between labour and the conservatives was 40 ( more people under 40 voted for Labour). This is an change from 2017 when it was 47, so if anything the trend is in the conservative’s favour.
     
  3. Woolley

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    Only the Brits could imagine a future where they would have more power alone then they do as part of a block representing the largest trading block on earth. They voted twice for it, now they can get a taste of it first hand. I feel sorry for them but this is what they want so get ready Brits, your world will never be the same again.
     
  4. Montegriffo

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    It's what 52% of us voted for and 48% of us voted against. So only slightly over half of us want it.
    The other half are still opposed to it.
    Yay, democracy...
     
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    Well, all I can say is that I hope the young people fix this when they assume power. Until then, have fun crossing the channel.
     
  6. philosophical

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    Not only the channel, there is a 300+ mile land border in Ireland between the EU and the UK that will have to be controlled if leave (brexit) is supposed to happen. There has been nearly 4 years since the vote and the brexit enthusiasts have not said how that border will be controlled.
    Perhaps they believe the word 'leave' means 'stay joined'.
     
  7. Montegriffo

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    Well, the EU sure as hell aren't going to give us the same sweet deal we had before when we go crawling back to them begging to be allowed back in.
     
  8. James California

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    ~ Hopefully this will be the beginning of the E U's demise . ✔
     
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  9. Montegriffo

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    Show me on the doll where the EU touched you.
     
  10. George Bailey

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    Brexit was over NON-EU IMMIGRATION which has skyrocketed.

    Legislation to halt immigration, begin deportation of immigrants who are dependent on government aid, and give tax benefits to native Britons would be something to cheer.

    The EU does not control non-EU immigration as it is. The legislation I mentioned would not need to be tied up with the BREXIT fiasco.
     
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    Everybody claims they know what brexit was about. The only certainty is the words that were on the ballot paper.
    The rest is noise.
     

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