New York Times: Leaked videos show SEALs describing Gallagher's conduct

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    Who fed you that leftist lie. As an Arizona resident for the past 38 years I can attest that tormenting prisoners is not what Sheriff Arpaio was convicted of. He was convicted of Contempt of Court for continuing his battle against the heroin epidemic. In 2011 the Obama led leftist liberal idiots accused Arpaio and his deputies of racial profiling. Accused him of randomly detaining Latinos. Even though Arizona, specifically the Phoenix valley is a major corridor for the drug cartel. Arpaio ignored a court order to cease the tactics for 17 months and was charged with contempt of court. In 2013 under enormous backlash from the Obama led left Arpaio and his deputies stopped the tactics that where saving American lives. By the way, research the surge in heroin use and overdose deaths starting in 2013, the same year Arpaio ceased leadership. Coincidence?
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    You guys can thank Obama and the left if any of your family members have died due to heroin. Arpaio, a Maricopa County Sheriff for decades was known as America’s toughest sheriff.
     
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    Tell these 10 Nigerian Christian families that Navy SEALs are too trigger happy when it comes to exterminating extremists. I bet these families would all agree not trigger happy enough.
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    Just a random question for you. What percentage of today’s enlisted servicemen do you think ever get the chance to kill? I’ll give you a hint, most firefight encounters are performed by Special Forces. The vast majority of wounded and or killed servicemen in Afghanistan and Iraq never encountered an enemy. They were struck by an IED or a sniper.
     
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    While posting here, you have to respond in different ways to different posters. I'd talk to you in a different way than say Gamewell, and to Jonsa differently than Game. Then there's some posters where catchphrases are all they'll hear. So in THAT vein I would respond with "We're only hearing about it because the LW Fever Swamp is using their usual copypasta. Wake me when the latest LW faux outrage develops.(emojis)" You know the drill.

    For you however, I would use real communication skills. Were I to defend what Trump was doing I'd argue in defense of Gallagher that - well, the witness statements. I mean, one of them (maybe both) weren't even there when it happened. I'm finding that a tad suspicious. I'm also a bit leery of the lead investigator (Warpinsky?) who apparently got a bit TOO close to the SEAL Team while communicating with them, much less - I'm still not sure why Gallagher would suddenly kill someone he was treating for battle wounds. Bottom line is that I see enough holes in the way everything from the incident to the trial was handled so that it ain't an open-and-shut case and that a pardon is certainly defendable for him. This is the Reader's Digest version, if I wanted to go longer I could but I do have to admit this isn't a hot-button topic for me and my heart really isn't in it.

    You should be thinking more about this guy:

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    This is interesting and pretty hard to judge because none of us know.

    The suspicion I have with this is the fact that other SEALs are outing him. That's telling. I've also heard accounts of other SEALs claiming that Gallagher is a great guy. So which is true?

    Granted, in any group of folks there are always bad apples but combat military units are brotherhoods, SOCOM even more so. They may hate one of their own because he's a hardcase or whatever but rarely will they out one of their own for that reason alone. I came up through combat arms and in my units we had our hard cases, our dorks, etc. Our resident losers caught royal hell from us all the time even in public. At our local watering hole the boys were giving the new dork hell and some random other guy walked up and tried to join in. He was promptly destroyed by the rest of the platoon. This is OUR dork, we can make fun of him, "you" can't.

    Point is, these units are brotherhoods, even if they hate you you're still "one of them". Very rarely can you do anything at all for the brotherhood to actually out you. You'd have to do something REALLY BAD and their definition of really bad is probably nowhere near close to what yours might be. Even if they absolutely hate you they rarely want to actually hurt you they just want you gone. And once you're gone that's usually good enough. For these guys to still be making statements about him even after he's retired and out of their hair (if he was as evil to them as they claim) is strange...
     
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    Well said! Needed to be SAID!
     
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    Soooo, how does one know they like killing, hell how would you know if an enlisted man likes killing, Online Psychics maybe?
     
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    as was o j Simpson.,. Whom neither of us feel was innocent
    I believe this was a pretty contentious case.... including several eye witnesses, and emails from Gallagher that bragged about exactly the sort of war crimes that he was accused of.

    is it likely that several navy seals would conspire to lie in order to convict an innocent man.... not in my opinion. Is it possible that many people did not want to convict a man they considered a war hero who made some mistakes in defense of his country? .... yeah, I think so
     
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    Just guessing, but infatuation of and over fictional characters ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Apparently (from what I have gathered) Ol' Bonespurs is a Big Fan of using the his Presidential Power to Pardon Murderous War Criminals.

    Hopefully, Trump's Pardon of this Murderous War Criminal will be enough to tilt voters in the Swing States) to vote him out of power.

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    800 with an unfavourable view of Trump out of 1.3 million. 2 million if you count the reserves. WOW we had better take that one to the bank right? LOL
     
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    Yup leftist love them some skewed poll'ns :)
     
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    Meh, only one testified and the rest were tagged as cowards by Gallagher and were to be under his training. They have reason to trash a highly qualified and decorated soldier.
     
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    I respect your opinion, Nightmare.

    I will say that I have a lot of mixed emotions about the conduct of men in war.

    Uncle Sam trained this man and then sent him on 8 deployments. He was awarded the Bronze Star for valor twice. And then, on the 8th friggin deployment, these accusations came up.

    I don't know what he's guilty or innocent of from a legal standpoint, but I do know this ...

    My son has been in direct combat on two deployments and served in a support role on two deployments. He has killed. He was severely wounded once, almost died. He has seen his battle buddies wounded and killed, including his best friend. He has seen some really sh-tty things with regard to the civilian victims of war. And he has known the heartbreak of battle buddies who have ended their own lives in the aftermath of it all.

    Today, he is successful and lives a great life with his wife and children. But I know that war has changed him forever. He is not the same kid I knew when he joined the Marines in 2005. He is not the same. He is gregarious and friendly with people, and he is a loving father and husband. And yet, I see this unmistakable coldness when he speaks of the enemy, and he has absolutely zero guilt over killing them. Zero. He can do it without the slightest regret or second thought. He is utterly cold in that regard, and I sense that my son is a lethal and dangerous person to our enemies, for he will kill them without hesitation, without the slightest bit of guilt. He regards the lives of our enemies at about the same level as we regard ants or rats. If we ever speak of them, I see this mask come over his face that is absolutely deadly. I don't know how else to describe it.

    This is the part of him I didn't know before the wars. It wasn't a part of him before the wars.

    In spite of everything, he doesn't live with PTSD. Instead, he lives with the grief of the loss of friends - in battle or after. His full story is a success story, I'm happy to say. But he is forever changed.

    He is tentatively scheduled for a 5th deployment to the sandbox in 2020 unless something changes.

    My view is that we cannot send people into direct face-to-face combat over and over and over again and not expect some casualties. There are physical casualties - like getting shot or blown up - but there are also the non-physical casualties. Those are the type of casualties I am talking about. And I believe we are misdirecting our response to those non-physical casualties with courts-martials and imprisonment.

    Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, the author of "On Combat" and "On Killing", refers to the "kill or be killed" environment as "toxic" to normal, well-adjusted humans.

    And we are shifting blame, in my opinion. For it is we who sent them there. It is we who sent them there over and over and over and over ... to do this, to experience this, and to cope with it all, to live in this toxic environment.

    So maybe it is not the SEAL or the soldier or Marine who should be prosecuted. Maybe someone else should be prosecuted. Maybe that "someone else" is .... us.

    Seth :salute: :flagus:
     
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    This is completely irrelevant unless your point is that someone who has done eight deployments should get away with murdering civilians, in which case your point turns from irrelevant to just a bad opinion.
     
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    Have you ever been in direct combat in a foreign land?
     
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    I will say that I have a lot of mixed emotions about the conduct of men in war. I want to be proud of our service members and the difficult job they do in combat.

    But Uncle Sam trained this man and then sent him on 8 deployments. He was awarded the Bronze Star for valor twice. And then, on the 8th friggin deployment, these accusations came up.

    I don't know what he's guilty or innocent of from a legal standpoint, but I do know this ...

    My son has been in direct combat on two deployments and served in a support role on two deployments. He has killed. He was severely wounded once, almost died. He has seen his battle buddies wounded and killed, including his best friend. He has seen some really sh-tty things with regard to the civilian victims of war. And he has known the heartbreak of battle buddies who have ended their own lives in the aftermath of it all.

    Today, he is successful and lives a great life with his wife and children. But I know that war has changed him forever. He is not the same kid I knew when he joined the Marines in 2005. He is not the same. He is gregarious and friendly with people, and he is a loving father and husband. And yet, I see this unmistakable coldness when he speaks of the enemy, and he has absolutely zero guilt over killing them. Zero. He can do it without the slightest regret or second thought. He is utterly cold in that regard, and I sense that my son is a lethal and dangerous person to our enemies, for he will kill them without hesitation, without the slightest bit of guilt. He regards the lives of our enemies at about the same level as we regard ants or rats. If we ever speak of them, I see this mask come over his face that is absolutely deadly. I don't know how else to describe it.

    This is the part of him I didn't know before the wars. It wasn't a part of him before the wars.

    In spite of everything, he doesn't live with PTSD. Instead, he lives with the grief of the loss of friends - in battle or after. His full story is a success story, I'm happy to say. But he is forever changed.

    He is tentatively scheduled for a 5th deployment to the sandbox in 2020 unless something changes.

    My view is that we cannot send people into direct face-to-face combat over and over and over again and not expect some casualties. There are physical casualties - like getting shot or blown up - but there are also the non-physical casualties. Those are the type of casualties I am talking about. And I believe we are misdirecting our response to those non-physical casualties with courts-martials and imprisonment.

    Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, the author of "On Combat" and "On Killing", refers to the "kill or be killed" environment as "toxic" to normal, well-adjusted humans.

    And we are shifting blame, in my opinion. For it is we who sent them there. It is we who sent them there over and over and over and over ... to do this, to experience this, and to cope with it all, to live in this toxic environment.

    So maybe it is not the SEAL or the soldier or Marine who should be prosecuted. Maybe someone else should be prosecuted. Maybe that "someone else" is .... us.

    Seth :salute:
     
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    Democrats love to dig up dirt on the military.
    We are at war with people who cut reporters heads off & toss gays from rooftops for being gay.

    They cried crocodile tears over Abu Ghraib, but they have no problem with illegals raping and
    Killing American citizens on American soil.

    I am more concerned with George Soros war on tough on crime prosecutors.

    https://nationalpolice.org/the-george-soros-war-against-tough-on-crime-law-and-order-prosecutors/

    Ask the people of Philadelphia what they think of the George Soros DA Larry Krasner

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...ney-philadelphia-20191011.html?outputType=amp

    Ask the family of Sean Schellenger who was stabbed to death and despite a confession, Larry Krasner decided to drop the charges from murder to manslaughter.
     
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    Tell your son that the son of a WW2 staff Sargent thanks him for his service.
     
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    Thank you and much respect to your father, Sir. :salute: :flagus:
     
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    Looked like bits and pieces to support an agenda. Nice work.
     
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    Obviously the times should be shut down .
     
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