Will Americans resist seizure of private property by the Trump regime?

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  1. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Some of the locations they want to build the wall are at least ONE MILE inside the U.S.Border,we will in effect be donating mile or more of U.S.land to Mexico.Either that or splitting the acreage of some families part on either side of the wall.Quite a few are protesting or suing to try to stop it.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You are free to pretend that "any of you" hold whatever notions you choose to assign them.

    The irrefutable reality is that the Trump regime is forcing Americans to surrender their private property to the State for a scheme Fake Don had repeatedly vowed the Mexico would pay for.

    Americans are resisting the Big Government confiscations.
    These Americans targeted by the Trump regime have legal rights, the right to be heard among them, despite fanatics trying to drown them out by screeching, "Build the wall! Build the wall!"

     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Trump true believers are desperate to distract from the loathsome reality of the Trump regime confiscating the private property of Americans to inflict its scheme that Fake Don had falsely insisted Mexico would pay for, but that is the reality, regardless of whether they are able to honestly confront it.
     
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    They are widening a two lane road to a four lane road near us. It runs across several states. Hundreds of families are being forced out of their homes. The federal government created a national park near us in the 1940s and they created several lakes. Hundreds of families were forcibly removed from their homes.

    In very few cases does the wall require someone to move. It just takes a bit of their property. In spite of the democrats denials, that wall will reduce illegal immigration. It serves a much greater good than either that road or that national park and lakes.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The Trump regime is attempting to seize the private property of Americans to perpetrate a Big Government scheme that Fake Don had repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for.

    His victims have rights.
     
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    What scheme? His secret intention is to build casinos on the land?

    The dirty rat!
     
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    There are no more massive caravans. There is no need for a wall.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The Trump scheme was a "big, beautiful wall" that Mexico would pay for, not a US taxpayer-funded Big Government barrier a mile within the US for which the Trump regime is forcing Americans to surrender their private property.

    If he ever forces Americans to pay for his fantasy erection, it will effectives cede land to Mexico.

     
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    Who pays for the wall has absolutely nothing to do with its need. It was a campaign promise. It is no different than all those useless campaign promises the herd of democratic candidates are making now.
     
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    I think it is a pretty justifiable use of eminent domain, but would nonetheless support scrapping eminent domain altogether.
     
  11. Le Chef

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    That's just a frustrated campaign promise, and a reckless one, I grant. It's the word "scheme" that is misplaced. For "Scheme" sounds like he had a malevolent, ulterior motive. I think his motives are honorable and transparent: keep illegal aliens out of the country. He's quite up front about that. We've become the girl who can't say no, and he and millions of others are disgusted by it.

    As for surrendering property, that is again a loaded and deceptive word... does anyone propose that the landowners not be compensated?

    Just out of curiosity, what would you do, Iif anything, to control the southern border?
     
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    I'd be satisfied with 4 or 5 bands of concertina wire, monitored by drones, sensors and agents on horseback, with criminal penalties for tampering.

    But open borders? No, thanks.

    And if one says "No one is calling for open borders ... that's a dirty Republican lie!" then one should be expected to say what one does support.
     
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    I also would favor equipping the drones with some kind of laser stun apparatus to zap -- I don't say kill -- any person seen in the act of cutting my big, beautiful concertina wire.

    I don't know that that machine exists, but I bet Elon Musk could build one.

    Musk for President!
     
  14. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Fake Don has been trying to weasel out of honestly confronting his phony promise to make Mexico pay for his "big, beautiful wall" for years.

    Few actually swallow such crap.


    The irrefutable reality nearly three years into the reign of Trumpery:
     
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    So? Vote for somebody else.
     
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    This administration has issues with supporting their claims and their lack of the capability dooms them in any legal process.

    Eminent domain is a difficult process. Hell, there are cases pending from the Bush Administration. The idea we could erect a wall on the border quickly was all kinds of dumb. Add in the incompetence of the “best people” that litter this administration and we are left with no way in hell or a colossal waste of taxpayer funds.

    The old adage of “pick your fights” applies here.
     
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    Do you stay up nights searching the internet for crap like this that you can twist into some kind of allegation of evil? Or it your full time occupation?

    The most repulsive thing in this nation today is the democratic indulgence in the total fantasy that whatever they think is righteous because they thought it, and justifies all possible distortions of reality and justice to
    use as Trump-slander. The mentality here is on the same level as what one would see in the mind of Eric Cartman, the sociopathic kid on the South Park comedy show. If it's weren't happening in real life, it would be a TV sit-com about a dysfunctional family where the 3 Stooges were the smartest of the bunch.
     
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    And why aren't there any massive caravan's and a marked drop in illegal asylum seekers?
     
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    Is there some problem hidden somewhere in the post?????
     
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    Nonresponsive, not surprised.

    For anyone interested in a reasonable, in context summary of federal eminent domain law, and in watching this bogus thread/topic get obliterated in one coup de grace:

    https://www.justice.gov/enrd/history-federal-use-eminent-domain

    "Today, Section projects include acquiring land along hundreds of miles of the United States-Mexico border to stem illegal drug trafficking and smuggling, allow for better inspection and customs facilities, and forestall terrorists."

    Oh, and the page, including the above quote, was last updated in 2015... DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

    BOOM HEADSHOT

    /thread



    But for anyone who gets annoyed by eminent domain only when it's your political opposition doing it, and they are using it to thwart one of (many of) your Party's rancid, dysgenic, dystopian, dangerous vote-buying, power-grabbing schemes, you aren't fooling anyone.

    To repeat, if there is a just rationale for eminent domain by the U.S. federal government (or any government anywhere), it's on the country's borders, especially when those borders are creating multiple kinds of dangers to the public health, safety and welfare.
     
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    Notice how hard Democrats/neo-commies fight to keep the border open?

    Raise your hand if you want Americans to pay for the healthcare welfare and reparations for any foreign national that makes it to America...
    [​IMG]
     
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    Currently the Bureau of Land Management owns more the 700 Million Acers across the country. (During the Obama Administration they even attempted to confiscate the entire Red River Valley. Then there was their attempt to rustle the Cliven Bundy heard.) This land serves no National Security purpose. The land being confiscated for the wall does serve a national security purpose, and is a drop in the bucket compared to the BLM land.

    So, your arguement has no merit
     
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    When Obama was building the wall (border fence) between 2008 and 2012, construction pretty much stopped at Texas because of the eminent domain fights. Obama had either fencing or anti-vehicle barricades run for most of the border (with some gaps) from California to Texas, then announced that construction was finished. Texas takes private property and border security equally seriously, so that presents a conflict with building the wall in Texas. During the Obama years, private property rights won the day in the state. Gov. Rick Perry invested $1 Billion in state tax funds to beef up border security with technology, helicopters, boats and more feet on the ground.
     
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    Funny thing is that Obama used eminent domain to improve the border fencing on the border and did it a lot more than Trump is now. Eminent domain is something the government is legally allowed to do as ruled by the Supreme Court over 100 years ago. But they need to compensate land owners for the land.
     
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    Yes and the family had lived in the house for fifty years before the mayor and city decided to force them out give them pennies on the dollar and then give it to one of their buds to build a mall, the justification increased tax revenue. That was Democrats and approved over the voiciferous objections of Souter, Thomas, and one other.
     

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