Do you think Trump was justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the B

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Was Trump justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the Bidens?

Poll closed Dec 14, 2020.
  1. Yes

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    There is still no evidence of corruption involving Trump's political opponent, not contrived by Trump's own vast US investigative and law enforcement resources, not by Ukraine, not by China, and not by any other nation on earth Trump may have pressured to discredit Biden.

    It is reminiscent of Trump and his fanatics screeching "Lock her up! Lock er up!" of another political rival, despite there being no indictments, trials, or convictions as US jurisprudence demands for incarceration.

    These zealots crap on American values.
     
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  2. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    Read it. And not just the histrionic questions---focus on the answers.

    BTW, I was referring to the Mueller Report. Read it.
     
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    It has been read and interpreted by both sides, I'm not a lawyer. The Mueller investigation had no justification and his report, which he didn't seem to have much knowledge of, didn't prove collusion.

    I don't believe this was a quest for justice, it's a political coup and nothing more. The most surprising thing in this whole BS circus to me is seeing how much power the House has. They and their media allies have controlled the narrative and the process from the start. I will be surprised if Nancy ever sends those papers to the Senate to start a trial.
     
  4. Nemesis

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    I'm not focusing on QPQ, but to suggest that the general concept isn't bad is completely ignoring what took place here.

    Explain to me what Hunter Biden did that's worthy of an "investigation". You'd think that this would've already happen if it's so facially "bad".
     
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    Keep ignoring reality. You really think that Russian interference in the 2016 campaign wasn't enough for an investigation?

    BTW, you just gave away the fact that you didn't read it. "Collusion"? That wasn't what Mueller investigated. But Mueller uncovered more than 140 contacts between Bonespurs campaign and Russian agents, and secured numerous indictments and convictions, yet here you are repeating the bullshit from years ago that's been debunked numerous times.

    "Hoaxes" don't put people in jail. "Hoaxes" don't reveal that Russian helped Bonespurs and Bonespurs accepted and amplified that help. "Hoaxes" don't cause a long time professional to suggest that a more thorough investigation would likely reveal more crimes
     
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    Well, there's probably no video...
    You don' want to go down with that ship. I don't think there will be an investigation but that isn't because there isn't enough reason for one. It's that power structure defending itself. None of them, either side, want to start looking into the kiddo's success stories.
     
  7. Nemesis

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    *LOL*

    Yes, because that's what you believe with utterly nothing to support it.

    Read the Mueller Report. Read the IG Report. Read the impeachment inquiry transcripts. And read the newly released emails.

    I know that you won't, but ferfucksakes, quit this reality-defying nonsense of not believing hard facts and choosing instead to accept debunked Russian propaganda. It's like you trust them and disbelieve the people who've kept you safe for decades.
     
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    The FISA warrant was illegal and people convicted based on that evidence should have their convictions reversed. There is a more thorough investigation currently active. Perhaps it will answer your questions?

    Trump talked to Russians? What a treacherous thing for a President to do. None of his predecessors ever did anything like that.
     
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    No, I trust Trump.

    These great protectors you are defending were the same folks that gave us the Saddam WMD reports. The same ones that missed the 9/11 attackers. The missed that previous attempt on the Towers by the same Islamic factions. Their record is remarkable but it is not flawless. There are some of them that are politically biased and just might use their positions to attack a hated President?
     
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    No, I trust Trump.

    These great protectors you are defending were the same folks that gave us the Saddam WMD reports. The same ones that missed the 9/11 attackers. The missed that previous attempt on the Towers by the same Islamic factions. Their record is remarkable but it is not flawless. There are some of them that are politically biased and just might use their positions to attack a hated President?
     
  11. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Trump had actually committed some crime which would rise to the level of an impeachable offense, more Americans would support impeachment. He did not so they do not. This impeachment is all partisan politics by the Dems and is meant to influence with the outcome of the 2020 election.
     
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    if Obama or Clinton did what trump has done, the gop would consider it impeachable
     
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    The main reason those caravans began in the first place is because of Trump. It was his hateful rhetoric against migrants that reached Central America and these people decided to do it before he shuts the borders. Mexico finally began doing what they should be doing, stopping them at the Guatemala border.

    There's no need for a physical barrier, none at all. These problems with immigration could easily be fixed if anyone with half a brain put their mind to it.
     
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    *LOL*

    "I trust Trump"?

    The guy who repeatedly lies his ass off? Who sobs and cries about being a "victim" constantly? The same ******* who tries to enrich himself in spite of the Emoluments Clauses?

    Wow. Just ****ing wow.
     
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    The sobbing, crying and wailing would be unbearable.
     
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    There were multiple calls from Republicans to impeach Obama. You know why Republicans didn't do so, even when they had the sole power of impeachment and could have impeached him? Because there was not bipartisan support for it.

    ....and Clinton? Well, there was bipartisan support wasn't there?
     
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    You believe every poisonous word in the DNC anti Trump manifesto don't you.
     
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    Tell that to the DNC, Comey, McCabe, Strocz, Page, Ohr, Brennen, Clapper, Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer and the MSM.
     
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    I, too, find myself lacking support for Biden's run for 2020. And I agree that if he violated the law, he should be investigated and not be immune. But if the investigation was a justified, legitimate request, it would not have included the word 'favor'.
     
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    It isn't facially bad, it's facially suspicious.
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    I think Trump flies by the seat of his pants and something told him that, since there are petroleum engineers that don't get paid 1/10th what Hunter was getting, and all for "sitting," and since he is the son of an influential American pol, that there is something smelly about his arrangement and yea, he could benefit by its exposure. No denying that. What, did Barisma, just call him out of the blue (speaking of qpq's) and offer him money for nothin' and his chicks for free? No one else in all of Ukraine wanted that "job"? You explain that to me.

    There is also reason to be suspicious of Trump, of course. I didn't vote for him, primarily because of birtherism. He's no angel.

    Now I have a question. If Biden is clean, and I mean Hunter, why wouldn't Democrats welcome the investigation Trump asked for? If he's clean, then we're all good and Trump has egg on his face. If dirty, Democrats would presumably want to know now rather than in the middle of next year.

    Nobody is really enthused by Biden anyway, not even when he was in his prime, anymore than they were by Hillary. He plays to half deserted rooms.
     
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    It's not a question of "if he's clean". It's a question of whether or not there is good reason - probable cause - to suspect that he is not. In the absence of such, there's absolutely no reason to investigate.
     
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    Even the transcript Fake Don released has him seeking his "favor" from Zelensky - to target Fake Don's political rival for investigation. No mention of "corruption."

    It's no surprise that Fake Don needs to gag his minions in the know - Bolton, Mulvaney, Pompeo, McGahn, etc.

    The last thing Fake Don can afford is to have them coming clean under oath.
     
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    A favor of starting an investigation of a crooked American that was stealing from us? I don't think the cash flow stopped with Hunter either, he was the conduit.
     
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    Are you just recycling Trumpery gas, or have Trump's Justice Department, Ukraine, or China found any pretexts for actual indictments? Any at all?
     
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    I think Democrats are blocking the investigation. Be patient and it should all come to light.
     

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