Qasem Soleimani killed: Does Trump have a strategy?

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  1. MolonLabe2009

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    Obama funded Iran, Iran funded terrorism and Obama knew it but did it anyway.

    Obama also knew Iran was killing Americans and did nothing about it. In fact, he aided Iran in their goals.
     
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    There's two questions a president should be asking his advisors. If we do this, what are the possible consequences, what will likely happen and if we don't do anything, what are the consequences of doing nothing? Both action and non-action have consequences. Then usually what happens after either the action or the non-action was something unforeseeable, something not planned for or even envisioned.

    One is left to react to what follows either scenario of doing nothing and doing something. Did Trump ask these two question prior to taking action, I haven't a clue.
     
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    Hey Marty McFly, this isn't 1985. If you made that post in 1985, it would have merit as being a simple mistake (as you claim). But it's not 1985 and I would ask if you needed help digging that hole you are in but you seem to be shoveling quite nicely.

    I misunderstood the reference?? :roflol::roflol::roflol: Yeah right.

    And just because I'm a fair guy, go ahead and post the evidence that Putin/Russia plans to take over all the lands of the former USSR (now CIS) republics. I suspect I'll be waiting.....forever.
     
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    Conservative America wanted John Wayne, all bravado and no brains. They got him three times since 1980. This time, they can go fight the war and they can pay for it with added taxes. Surcharge on anyone who voted for Trump, draft red state kids, go fight your brains out against one of the oldest cultures on earth. All those days shooting ARs will work out just fine for you, you can do it. Go watch Red Dawn a couple more times, sing Lee Greenwood songs until you are hoarse, wave the flag at baptisms, pray to Jesus to make you a warrior of God, its all good. Trump is God, right?
     
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    Can we use Nukes too?
     
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    He already has, he's just smarter than the old Soviet regime. They are so entwined together he doesn't have to use any force.
    By the way, McFly was the hero and the one making fun of him (like you are) was the dupe. LIke I said.......comprehension. So yeah, you misunderstood and just proved the point.
     
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    From what I heard, the terrorist was back in Iraq to lead more attacks against United States and Iraqi assets, so it might indicate US Intel got wind of it and brought it to the attention of the militray who asked for permission to take him out. There is also a good chance he was on a short list of "crimes against the US" and Trump wanted him gone.

    I think if you look at what Iran has been doing and how they have killing Americans (600 since 2003 was the last count I saw) I think killing him was the right thing to do. We will see how this plays out. If Iran attacks the US or stages a terror attack, chances are good we will start "Regime Change" in Iran. I think that might be the real aim anyway.

    I think it's about time.
     
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    Of course, another question would be, what else can we do? Its not as if the only options were to do nothing, or kill this guy
     
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    It is a good strategy if it has good results
    Lets see how it goes
     
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    Ya' wanted to just wound him a little bit?
     
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    I don't think there was a third option, but asking that question would be good. Three instead of two questions. What alternatives. Yep, three questions.
     
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    He already has? Hell, that's probably news to Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.....even Azerbaijan. Now I know where you get your line of thinking. :roflol: May I suggest picking up the phone and letting Azerbaijan know that Putin now controls them. :thumbsup:
     
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    And Trump bombed the source while Obama gave billions to the source.
     
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    Trump is definitely not God but I am personally glad the general is dead. Now... There are a lot of things I don't like about Trump. His take on global warming. His cutting taxes while the country goes further and further in debt ...... But if the government spent money wisely it could be done. I don't like the idea of any President that did not serve in the military. But if he uncovers graft
    and corruption he will get my vote this year a d I am smart enough to know that uncovering corruption at a high level is risky.
     
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    I'm pretty sure they know it.......just like we do here.
     
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    No, Trump bombed Iraq. Obama gave owed money to them (not that you will ever be convinced of that, so don't start).
     
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    Who's 'we'? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I'm pretty certain you're the only person in the country who thinks Putin controls Azerbaijan. Or that Azerbaijan is Russia.

    You crack me up.:roflol:Thanks for the laughs.:applause:
     
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    Fake news. The money was frozen because Iran was under sanction for supporting terrorists and for killing Americans in the Beirut bombing. Iran would not receive the money without U.S. permission. If the Obama had not cut a deal with Iran, the funds would still be frozen.
     
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    seems to me that is confirmatory bias... Trump did it... so let’s defend his decision by saying this was his only real option other than capitulation to terrorism
     
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    I'm defending, approving or condemning Trump's decision. What I'm saying is these two or three questions should be asked. There's a probably outcome for all three. What is best in the U.S. interest. Taking out this guy could upset the whole apple cart in Iraq, the status quo. Not taking him out would maintain the status quo, but leave this terrorist alone. At least for the time being.

    Do we want to continue on in Iraq as before? As over the last 3 years? I that is our goal, what we want to do, leave this guy in place. Do nothing. As taking him out, killing him will change the status quo immensely. Nothing will be the same, the status quo destroyed. Perhaps for the better, perhaps for the worse. Which way to go?

    What I want to know is did Trump ask these questions and did he take the many possible outcomes into consideration or was this just another knee jerk reaction? I don't know.
     
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    To me I don't think this was thought through with the fact that the USA is being told to leave and we now have had to suspend operations against Al Qaeda and ISIS. If Trump is the deal maker he claims to be, now is his chance.
     
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