Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

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  1. PARTIZAN1

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    Attacks on al Queda is not an attack on an embassy. So Inam correct as usual in that Clinton did not attack any embassies.
     
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    I remember the daily drama with Hans Blix saying he didn't have strong evidence Saddam still had WMD.
     
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    This is taunting.
     
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    Let me explain something. Highly devout Christians are not extremists. They are saints who reached a high level of spiritual perfection. What you are thinking of are fundamentalists and their elitism irks me no end - regardless of what religion or denomination they belong to. Fundamentalists cannot step out of themselves and can only relate to God through their own cultural standards and upbringing.

    The highly regarded Bishop Athanasius of Cyprus, who many believe will be glorified as a Saint in the Orthodox Church, said that fundamentalism is spiritual immaturity. With the exception of Evangelical elitists such as the Pentacostals and some others, I have found most Evangelicals to be the loveliest and kindest people in the world.

    Their problem is that they are easily deceived and have no idea of what our government is doing. They can't understand deception and hypocrisy since they themselves lack it. What freaks me the most is when I see them being asked and manipulated to give money to some cause when they have so little of it, compared to the people who are asking it of them.

     
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    Where's your proof? A couple of newspaper stories don't cut it.
    You'll have to take it up with lefties.
     
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    I'm glad you agree that both Clinton's event and Trump's event are not much different.
     
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    Bill Clinton was the first American president to break international law and attack the sovereign nation of Serbia when they were fighting a civil war. He did it on a false pretense of genocide when there was no genocide and bombed Belgrade for 78 days killing thousands. He bombed the TV station in Belgrade for presenting the news and also bombed the Chinese embassy.

    Clinton made us an outlaw nation and we have been one ever since.
     
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    Impressive, but we ain’t discussing Figi here, now are we? ;)
     
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    You don't have a race problem because the black slaves were turned into eunuchs and the babies from black women were killed at birth. In the 19th century when the Circassians were invited into Turkey, the women ended up at the slave markets in Istanbul. The Circassians who were known for their beauty, were so plentiful and the price so cheap that the Turks got rid of all their black slaves.

    So tell me Goomba, where are all the mulattoes in Turkey and the Middle East?
     
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    The Istanbul slave markets closed at the end of WWI when Turkey became a republic under Attaturk. The other slave markets probably closed when they fell under British and French colonial laws - but I don't know, I'm just guessing.
     
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    Kosovo! First time we agree on anything. Clinton was very wrong taking the Kosavubians side over Serbs and supporting the stealing of Serbia territory by Albanians. Albanians are the invaders who infested Kosovo.
    It is never right to allow or support any country to infect another country and then take over that territory from the rightful country. Violating Serbia's sovereignty is just as wrong as violating Ukraine's sovereignty.
    I am sure you would agree that Russia committed a criminal international violation in the Crinia and in the Donbas.!!!

    The hillting of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was an accident.
     
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    I don't want to keep dancing around the history of the region. Iran had been trying to extend its influence in the region since the revolution, but the war with Iraq made maintaining support in countries bordering or near Iran arguably an imperative.

    Iran supported Hezbollah who created a dilemma for Israel in southern Lebanon--continue taking casualties, keep reservists deployed, take over part of Lebanon, or get out. Occupying southern Lebanon was a strategic error.
     
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    I guess you didn't read where I wrote Soleimani was complicit. German soldiers executed at Nuremberg are noted below:

    "The Nuremberg executions took place on 16 October 1946, shortly after the conclusion of the Nuremberg Trials. Ten prominent members of the political and military leadership of Nazi Germany were executed by hanging: Hans Frank, Wilhelm Frick, Alfred Jodl, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Wilhelm Keitel, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Alfred Rosenberg, Fritz Sauckel, Arthur Seyss-Inquart, and Julius Streicher. Hermann Göring was also scheduled to be hanged on that day, but committed suicide using a potassium cyanide capsule the night before. Martin Bormann was also sentenced to death in absentia, but reportedly had committed suicide while attempting to escape Berlin on 2 May 1945."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_executions

    Soleimani had a rank as high in Iran as Jodl, Keitel, and even Göring had in Nazi Germany.
     
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    Just like Eichman was complicit ??? Hitler’s directive was Aryan purity. Eichman killed as many and as efficiently as he could.

    Soleimani was totally responsible for the plan and implementation of the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
     
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    Relationships are made, seldom deals.
     
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    Don't you get it? It doesn't matter if he thought it up. He implemented the policy. That's enough.
     
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    I don't think the hitting of the Chinese embassy was an accident, neither do the Chinese - but that's neither here nor there.

    As for the Donbas, whenever they asked Putin to make them part of Russia like Crimea, he refused. Yanukovich even told them on TV not to vote to join Russia, but to vote to federate. When they did vote to federate, Poroshenko instead of talking to them began bombing them. Not once did our media say Poroshenko was killing his own people.

    Crimea was a different situation since it had a defined boundary. When the Russians took polls to find out if the people in Ukraine wanted to become a part of Russia, the further west they went the less they wanted to be. So Putin asked the Donbas where would he put the boundary?

    In Kosovo the situation was different than the Donbas. The Albanian KLA terrorists were trying to ethnically cleanse the indigenous Serbs from Kosovo. Most Serbs did leave. In Ukraine it was the nationalists from Western Ukraine who wanted to ethnically cleanse the indigenous Russians in the Donbas and Lugansk.

    As for Crimea, it was established as an independent country with certain ties to Ukraine. In the 90's Kiev didn't like the government Crimea had, so they invaded and took it over. During the coup at Maidan, when 300 from Crimea went to Kiev to protest for Yanukovich instead of against him, they suffered a pogrom on the way home. Their busses were stopped by the nationalists and burned. They were harassed for 8 hours and 30 men were killed or are missing.

    The nationalists told them that they were coming to Crimea and were going to do the same thing to the people there. The Crimeans panicked and asked the Russians soldiers to protect them until they could hold a referendum. In the referendum they voted to join Russia as protection.
     
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    Even so, many of the black eunuchs were important members of Ottoman society who sometimes served powerful individuals (like the sultan), and had the ability to progress in the empire. You’re delusional if you think that they were treated as bad as blacks were in North America up to 1960.
     
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    Obama left a vacuum in Anbar. He screwed up. Literally millions of innocent people were brutally oppressed by ISIL in Syria and Iraq because Obama didn't have the gumption to tell his supporters in this country why we couldn't leave and let ISIL animals have their way.
     
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    Trump's first golf trip as President resulted in a deal with Japan.
     
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    Tell us about that.
     
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    Most societies had slaves. Some got eaten.
    Certainly the Democratic party in America
    has a lot to answer for because of their
    support for the plantations, slavery, jim
    crowe and the Klu Klux - but to say USA
    slavery was worse than other culture's
    slavery is wrong, and Racist.
     
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    Yeah, I have that same problem with any tool that has a plastic handle. The heat and the low humidity just takes the life right out of them.
     
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    Yep. As far a Puti is concerned it might be better than 911.
     

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