UFOs are far more likely terrestrial in origin.

disagree, dna is code, changing the code can do many things, both good, bad and benign changes as well

take an exe on your computer and change some of the code randomly, open it, randomly change something and run it again, now do this for millions of years

it's complicated for sure, especially when one adds in epigenetics to the mix

 

It all depends upon the definition of life. Any organic matter capable of reproduction is one such definition and under that it is exceptionally hardy and can withstand extremes of temperature and pressure and still thrive.

What seems to be endangered are more complex "higher" forms of life which are more prone to being wiped out by natural disasters. Perhaps the most rare form of life could be classified as "intelligent communication of knowledge" since we know of only a single instance and it appears to be endangering it's own natural habitat.

That said it would be strange if this were the only instance of that type of life form in the universe since hardly anything in the universe is unique.

 

It doesn't make much sense to me that Earth and it's evolution are unique. When I couple this position with the idea that the building blocks of life either exist everywhere or can be transported anywhere, and then allow billions of years of time, how things worked out on Earth should work out similarly around the Universe. The two variables for me are how often 'intelligent life' will evolve and how long it can survive? If the answer to this is seldom and 5,000 years, it will be difficult to detect one of these narrow moments within billions of years of time and space. I'm surprised with all of Earth's technology involved in SETI, over decades, that we have not yet identified a single signature of ET's? We're pretty sure within our own Solar System there are no other intelligent beings so our form of life is rare. We may never know all the answers...

 

Thanks for the very logical and rational thinking on this subject .

There is no physical evidence that the craft that are guided by intelligence are space travelers as there is no physical evidence these craft are engineered by earthlings.

The only material in the public domain has been turned over to the army. This layered metal has been tested by a couple labs with the verdict it not a finely layered metal that has been known to be produced on earth . Its purpose is unknown given layering bismuth and aluminum has no known uses . The nature of its super thin layers cannot be done with current tech. Or so I understand . Are you familiar with this metal? The army found it unusual enough to want it.

If there is any evidence of star travelers it remains classified.

The unidentified intelligently operated ctaft remains a great mystery of our time. Given its performance and unknown propulsion and energy source. I am speaking of the so called tic tac ufo encountered by 3 jets from the Nimitz that had two peoplr in each jet .You may have seen Fravor go into great detail about the first encounter when two planes were sent to investigate the object that dropped from 80,000 feet to 20,000 in literally seconds. If not there are news clips on you tube that will blow your mind. The best one is when he appeared on joe rogan because he was able to talk with rogan about it for a couple hours and get drilled. HHis account about trying to close on it and how it avoided him as well as its exit speed is interesting. He also goes into detail on the camera read outs is interesting as well. This occurred in 04.

As some experts have said the tech this craft incorporated would make fossil fuels oobsolete and it would be a crime if our govt was keeping this tech away from humanity. For this kind of energy and propulsion dates back at least 70 years.

So sure there is no public evidence where these craft hail from but there existence has finally been officially made known after decades of our govt lying in their denial. I find that a problem as well as the ridicule coming from msm even when these craft have been reported by pilots both commercial and military for at least 70 years

How these craft move defies what we know of physics. Never a sonic boom as they travel much faster than the speed of sound. And they travel almost as fast under water as in the atmosphere.

It is understandable why the ET crowd deduced they are not from here. Yet this ufo crowd fervently believe in things with zero evidence. Like abductions and alien\human hybrids . All based on tales told by people who claim to be abducted. People will do anything to feel special imo. And a percentage of us are just nuts

Hell New Age religion has even moved into the ufo community . To them the ETs are our space brothers while to others the sexless grays are evil and are mixing alien dna with ours in order to control the rest of humanity.

And as you said there is no evidence for any of this nonsense .

 

Thanks for the info about the metal sample. I do some research albeit at this stage I remain skeptical about the source of the material. The Nimitz interception, if its the one I'm thinking of is probably the best 'evidence' yet of some form of unidentified flying object - but again there are explanations other than classic UFO's.

As for the rest ... 'true believers' need to realize that just because many/most people reject their idea of alien visitors flying around in our sky that does not mean they also reject the idea that there is life, even intelligent life on other planets. As far as we are aware the existence life (if not complex/intelligent life) is almost a statistical certainty. But there's a huge (astronomical) step between that statement and squadrons of alien space ships flying around in our atmosphere NOW like they're trying to impersonate George Jetson.

 

One thing to consider about UFOs is that they are never spotted arriving here from beyond earth despite all of the sky surveys constantly scanning for moving objects. We spot asteroids and even the occasional brown dwarf out there, but never spacecraft on their way here. UFOs generally only ever appear in the sky to confused humans who don't know a lot about cosmic and airborne phenomena. Sometimes pilots spot strange objects as well, and these are perhaps more mysterious. Short of an instrument malfunction, it is hard to imagine what would explain some of the things that pilots have spotted and tracked. These are quite rare, though.

 

Since you aren't familiar with the reports from military/ex-military witnesses and probably don't want to be, continue turning your skeptical blind eyes away from the phenomena, since that seems to be your solid stance.

Right, don't project anything beyond the foo fighters of WWII.

So extraordinarily bad at it that the UFO performance capability compared to that of her modern fighter jet was more than the woman navy pilot could tolerate, prompting her decision to turn in her wings. Given a choice between benign drag races and destructive hostile assaults, a guess you aren't impressed much without the latter. Then who is more aberrant, you or them? Your judgmental bias is showing.

 

Somehow the heat signatures of the incidents at Kecksburg and Rendelson Forrest didn't make the news.

 

This is a really cool issue!!

Congress mandated that NASA detect all near earth asteroids of 140 meters or more by 2020.

BUT, they allocated no funds for it - LOL!!

So, most such detections today are still being made by amature astronomers.

There is a NASA mission to search for near earh asteroids, but it's not going to be this year.

Also, that won't be enough - the plan also calls for the Large Synoptic Survey telescope being built in Chile.


One big question:

How much of the NASA science budget is being (or will be) sucked by the "man on the moon" project - a project that is massively underfunded and has nearly NO scientific benefit?

Anyway, aliens could send a mother ship and not be detected right now.

 

It’s only black ops
Not ufos lol

a real ufo would be undetected and nano size

 

I am familiar with those reports and have commented on them in previous posts. Nothing in those reports proves the objects being observed are of extraterrestrial origin. It just proves they have observed (or their systems have reported contact with unidentified flying objects. This is simply not physical proof that the objects in question are extraterrestrial in nature.

What has world war 2 got to do with anything? My original post stated 'what we know about physics now and then projecting forwards as far is realistic'. Just to clarify this point for you World War 2 occurred in what is commonly referred to as the 'the past'. My post mentioned NOW, i.e. as in the present moment, a concept I am sure you are familiar with which is for the 75 years after WW2.

In 'NOW' humanity as mastered the transistor circuit, is experimenting in photonics and quantum computing, has advanced models of physics, has sent space craft to every corner of the solar system, has envisioned and are experimenting with future means of propulsion like plasma and fusion drives, magnetic sails, laser propulsion and considered theoretical concepts for FTL travel like wormholes and the Alcubierre drive. We have Hubble, space based observation platforms and in general remote sensing technology our great grandparents couldn't dream of.

And finally if the your 'aliens' have tech that is so 'god like' in its functionality that we cant see them coming' why do they then apparently stand out like dogs balls when they arrive? None of which makes any sense.

Again - not physical evidence of aliens. (Your judgement bias in showing.) I clearly stated that I have no problem with the concept of alien intelligent species existing. In simply requires some physical evidence they are visiting especially since, as has been noted by other commentators we see zero absence of their approach to Earth from space but if you are to be believed we get numerous sightings every year once they are in the atmosphere. Based on that observation you can equally argue that;

A) the objects in question are intruders from 'parallel' Earths/dimensions - which explains the absence of their presence in space, or ;
B) paranormal in origin - ditto.

And again no evidence.

 

Again what part of - a long way out in the solar system vs the air over the US/Canadian border or Sussex England escapes your notice. My comment related to our technological ability to track powered objects in deep space.

 

If what is seen are "Alien Craft" then they would no longer be Unidentified....now would they? They would now be classified as Identified extraterrestrial craft or IFO's.

 

You would have to be an ET to know this. Lol

 

What would be another explanation for the nimitz tic tac observed by 3 sets of pilots? You mean other dimensions or paranormal?

The ufos that are seen at night want to be seen given many are lit up like a xmas tree. Lol

 

I saw 6 on New Years, so did my friend but he wont talk about it, he is afraid of the Illuminati.

 

US military
Maybe hypersonic drones

 

I was not kidding (except the illuminati part) They were a reddish orange I have never seen. They were silent and flew in horizontal formation. I'm not saying little green men flew them but they defied all I have seen. I figured since it was just after new years (in a small town) others had seen them. So I posted on our town FB group page, multiple others saw them. But my friend did say he will not speak of them, on record.

 

The OP Topic includes the option that UFO's could be of extraterrestrial origins which got me thinking about other posts which discussed the means of communications between the planets and alien civilizations.

A UFO could be a drone of some type which would explain the ability to hover and suddenly change direction. If the are unmanned, or the ET equivalent, there is no need for any life support or other overheads. Which means that they could be observing and reporting back to a relay station of some kind which then transmits the message back to the originating planet.

And that is what got me wondering as to why we have have never intercepted any ET signals of any kind in spite of long running programs like SETI. Then it occurred to me that it is because we are searching in the wrong direction and looking for the wrong kinds of signals.

Our own communications rely upon orbiting satellites which are fine for what we need here on earth but would be pretty ineffective for interstellar communications. We position geostationary satellites for the specific reason that we will always know where they are at all times.

So how would we do that if we were operating across interstellar distances? The Milky Way is more or less disc shaped so it should be theoretically possible to place an interstellar stationary satellite "above" or "below" the plane of the Milky Way. Signals transmitted to one of those satellites could then be retransmited to another planet in a different solar system.

Perhaps we need to be searching for those kinds of satellites instead.

 

In part I don't have to have an expatiation. Whoever wants to say the contacts in question were definitely UFOs (as in extraterritorial space craft) is the one who has to come up with proof that this is in fact what they were. High tech drones? sensor anomalies? possibly. (I don't say this is what they were, IMO the Nimitz interceptions you were referring to are arguably the best evidence yet presented re; the existence of UFOs but they are still not proof absolute (not by a long shot) of the existence of aliens.

My comment in another post about UFOs possibly being of extra-dimensional/paranormal origin (you can add time travelers to the list) was only meant to highlight the fact that we apparently never detect UFOs approaching Earth from deep space, only when they are in the atmosphere.

As for 'wanting to be seen' but not contacting us - then we get into Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy territory i.e the realm of the absurd.

 

Some on my local FB page speculated, Chinese paper lanterns. One problem with that, they dont fly in formation and fly at high speed in a horizontal line, for a good distance

 

Well this phenomenon presents itself as in the realm of the absurd. It should not exist but yet it does. I think we are past the point of knowing these things are real objects . Swamp gas and Venus cannot account what human eyes and our best military detection instruments tell us.

The detailed account of Fravor from the nimitz involves the absurd as does the account of many other pilots over the years who have described these objects doing the impossible making it absurd given known technology .

These things fit into what we would generally call supernatural . Much like what that team of scientists oobserved many times on skinwalker ranch They could not explain any of the different pphenomenon they witnessed. Much like the ufo phenomenon. And simply absurd to our level of understanding.

 

Cool idea, but I think this still has problems.

I think the thickness of the arm of the Milkey Way we are in is about 2,000 light years thick. So, escaping our galactic arm would be an incredible feat.

Even if we could create a satellite that would have the power to do such commnication, we would then have to move what would surely be a heavy object (given the requirement of a nuclear reactor for power) into a position such as would be required.

 

I absolutely agree that these satellites would have to be the size of small moons and it might make sense to just use one as the basis for the satellite. A nuclear power source would need to be replenished so I suspect that it would be more practical for it to use something akin to solar panels to capture and convert radiation from the Milky Way into energy.

The odds are that objects of that mass already exist outside of the plane so locating one in the general region that it is needed and then installing the means to keep it in a stationary position would be more pragmatic. Then the communications and energy capture technology can be added once it is stabilized.

We are discussing a concept that is orders of magnitude beyond where we are now but the same applies to everything else on this topic. Conceptually it is feasible but we don't have the capabilities yet. However we do have the capability to search for something like those satellites.

 

Radio waves are not encumbered by Galactic debris for the most part which is why they are used for galactic telescope observations.