The boy who cried wolf

That is the same worthless excuse use by many of Trump's fans. You refuse to respond to a post that contains facts about this assassination. Serious issues have been presented, and you simply avoid them all, pretending they don't exist. That makes you a typical Trump fan.

Here is one such issue, first reported in the Wall Street Journal, which you say is "pathetic."

President Donald Trump told associates that he assassinated Iran's top military leader last week in part to appease Republican senators who'll play a crucial role in his Senate impeachment trial, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.

In a lengthy piece detailing how the president's top advisers coalesced behind the strike on Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, The Journal reported that Trump had told associates he felt pressured to satisfy senators who were pushing for stronger US action against Soleimani and who will run defense for him on impeachment.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...atisfy-gop-senators-before-impeachment-2020-1

Why do you support a man you can't even defend?

 

Hate has nothing to do with it. That is a cop-out used by Trump's base. They regard all criticism of Trump to be based on hatred.

Nothing could be more ridiculous. Criticism of Trump is based entirely on what he does and says. For example:

Nothing happens in a vacuum. What is happening in the world today is directly related to events that happened days ago, weeks ago, months ago, even years ago.

In May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from the Iranian nuclear agreement and replaced the agreement with harsh economic sanctions designed to destroy the Iranian economy. The agreement permanently barred Iran from making a nuke.

Iran retaliated and in months since has mined and captured ships, destroyed one of the largest oil refineries in the world, and even shot down a very sophisticated American aircraft. She also has increased her nuclear stockpile, enriched uranium at higher levels, and enlarged the number of centrifuges in use. Today, she is much closer to making a nuclear weapon thanks to Trump's reckless decision.

A few days ago she gave up all pretense and followed the example set by Trump. She left the agreement.

On Friday, as a consequence of Iran's belligerence, Trump decided to take out the Iranian general commanding the Quds Force, Qassem Soleimani. Did he want to divert attention from his impending Senate Impeachment trial?

As a consequence of Trump's assassination of the Iranian general, Iran, of course, counter-attacked. Two days later, the Pentagon confirmed missile strikes on the Ain Assad Airbase in western Iraq and a base in Irbil in northern Iraq.

Four hours after that, due to the fog of war and the fear of American reprisal, a Ukrainian airliner was shot down soon after taking off from a Tehran airport. 176 people killed in the crash:

The 176 people are considered collateral losses to Trump's decisions involving Iran.

"As long as I am President of the United States, Iran will never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon," Trump said yesterday.

Why didn't he just leave the Iran nuclear agreement alone?

 

The Post reports, "In the face of mounting evidence, Iran on Saturday acknowledged that it shot down the Ukrainian jetliner by accident, killing all 176 people aboard. The admission by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard undermined the credibility of information provided by senior officials, who for three days had adamantly dismissed allegations of a missile strike as Western propaganda."

 

Regardless of his motivations, it was the right thing to do.

President Trump is in no danger of being removed by the Senate, and so this WSJ report sounds a bit off.

 

Well I guess a 18% raise in pay and 175K added to my 401k for starters in the last two years. Yup life is good. Just to add I had 3% in raises in the 8 years of Obama. Plus my premiums went from $150 a month to $600 month during Obama care.

 

Well Sandy, with an election coming up, and the fact you have well over 22,000 anti Trump posts and yet you refuse to tell us your choice of who would do a better job. What I gather from your denials is you are really happy with president Trump's actions.

 

Sorry but when you (that's a royal you) holler about him having two scoops of ice cream or preferring big macs and have been hollering about how unfair that he was elected instead of Hillary and have been calling for his removal since before he was even sworn in....that is hate pure and simple.

This is false. It never permanently barred Iran from getting nukes. In fact there were sunset clauses in it. All that it actually did was DELAY (at best) Iran getting nukes. Something which even Obama agreed on. BTW, Iran is already a part of an agreement that permanently bars them from building nukes. Its called the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons Treaty. Of which they are a signatory of. And yet that hasn't actually stopped them now did it?

LINK: Non-Proliferation Treaty

List of Parties to the Treaty on the Non-proliferation of Nuclear Weapons

You'll note that Iran is listed in that link just above. And yet despite that they are flaunting it and still trying to get them. So really Obama's agreement with them, and that really was all it was, it was not a signed treaty, did nothing more than help Iran. It did not stop them.

They weren't going to adhere to it anyways. That is shown in that they refuse to adhere to the NPT. So really, if they really did step of their attacks as you say "because Trump pulled from the agreement"....that is just an excuse because Trump wasn't believing their BS. They're just pissed that Trump wouldn't let them take advantage of the deal they made with Obama which would have allowed them to improve their centrifuges to the point where in 15 years they could start pumping out nuclear grade materials with in 3 months...and that is IF they actually adhered to it. Which I doubt.

Soleimani was listed as a terrorist, by Obama. And he had supported and worked with many terrorist groups against the US for decades. He deserved and needed to be taken out.

There is a common theme in the narrative that you have here. Everything is Trumps fault and Iran just reacts. Does Iran hold no responsibility for its actions? According to you Iran retaliated and "stepped up its attacks" (which btw is an admission that they never stopped their attacks) after Trump pulled out of that agreement and put back the sanctions that was there before, yet Iran holds no responsibility for ITS actions. Its attacks which which Trump did nothing towards for a couple of years on. Then when Trump says "enough is enough" and takes out one of the MAIN perpetrators of the attacks, you STILL blame Trump.

Yes, you're right in that this is a reaction thing. Years of attacks, decades of attacks even, and when we have a President say "enough is enough...this is the last straw" and actually DOES something about it...you all holler and blame everyone BUT the ones instigating the actual attacks. Iran could have talked with Trump about that agreement, maybe come to a better agreement? One which our Senate would even have agreed upon? (unlike the last one). Instead they "increase their attacks". Yet Trump is the bad guy.....

 

Qualification alone is insufficient for becoming president of the united states. Barack Obama was nothing more than a community organizer and had far less qualifications to be president of the united states than either of his opponents, yet he was elected twice regardless, even forcing out Hillary Clinton to win the party nomination.

 

176 people died as a direct result of Trump's decision.

You think "it was the right thing to do." Wow!

 

Don’t believe everything you read.

 

I didn’t know Trump shot down an airliner.

 

They died because of Iranian incompetence. Even the Iranian government has admitted it.

Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard's aerospace division, had told state TV that his unit accepts “full responsibility” for shooting down the Ukrainian aircraft, just minutes after it took off from Tehran’s international airport on Wednesday. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani blamed "human error" in a tweet Friday, and called it a "great tragedy and unforgivable mistake."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-support-iran-protesters-ukrainian-airplane

 

That's it? That's all you can say? I'll believe until I hear something to the contrary. The WSJ does not publish false stories.

 

Very true, but it would not have happened if Trump had not wanted to change the subject. Trump has done this many times before. The practice caused his impeachment.

 

Just saying that’s all. From some of your posts you seem very gullible.

 

You are fully aware of the fact your statement is false.

 

Still cross-posting that spam, eh?

 

Yes, I know. Therein lies the problem. We want an experienced mechanic to care for our car, but Americans do not require experience to become President. Want proof?

The incompetent, narcissistic Donald J. Trump who sacrifices lives for political gain.

 

Tell me what I got wrong. Trump's fans consistently make false accusations they cannot substantiate.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. What is happening in the world today is directly related to events that happened days ago, weeks ago, months ago, even years ago.

In May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from the Iranian nuclear agreement and replaced the agreement with harsh economic sanctions designed to destroy the Iranian economy. The agreement permanently barred Iran from making a nuke.

Iran retaliated and in months since has mined and captured ships, destroyed one of the largest oil refineries in the world, and even shot down a very sophisticated American aircraft. She also has increased her nuclear stockpile, enriched uranium at higher levels, and enlarged the number of centrifuges in use. Today, she is much closer to making a nuclear weapon thanks to Trump's reckless decision.

A few days ago she gave up all pretense and followed the example set by Trump. She left the agreement.

As a consequence of Iran's belligerence, Trump decided to take out the Iranian general commanding the Quds Force, Qassem Soleimani. Did he want to divert attention from his impending Senate Impeachment trial?

As a direct consequence of Trump's assassination of the Iranian general, Iran, of course, counter-attacked. Two days later, the Pentagon confirmed missile strikes on the Ain Assad Airbase in western Iraq and a base in Irbil in northern Iraq.

Four hours after that, due to the fog of war and the fear of American reprisal, a Ukrainian airliner was shot down soon after taking off from a Tehran airport. 176 people killed in the crash:

The 176 people are considered collateral losses to Trump's decisions involving Iran.

"As long as I am President of the United States, Iran will never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon," Trump said yesterday.

Why didn't he just leave the Iran nuclear agreement alone?

 

"176 people died as a direct result of Trump's decision."

As I said, you know this statement is false.

 

Trump is definitely a blow-hard - that is an undeniable fact.

I also agree with your premise that he is making the US out to be a bit of a Paper Tiger. Iran just bombed US basis and what was our response ? Nothing - Zero .. NADA.

One thing I find curious though is why you would hope that Trump "grows a backbone" = escalates towards war with Iran.

 

One of the least intelligent comments I have ever heard but right out of your party's playbook.

 

Trump is all over the place. That is what happens when one backs himself into a corner with lies. Originally, Trump said he ordered the assassination of Soleimani because of an "imminent threat to Americans."

We know Trump had the Iranian general taken out for political reasons.

"Trump asserted on Monday that his national security team agreed on the imminent threat posed by Soleimani that led to the decision to kill him. He made this assertion despite remarks from Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Sunday that undercut Trump’s claim that the Iranian general was planning to target four American embassies before a U.S. drone strike killed him in Baghdad on Jan. 3." https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-matter-if-soleimani-posed-an-imminent-threat

Let's assume Trump was not lying about the imminent threat. Yeah, I know that is a stretch, and he has Pompeo completely confused. Pompeo even forgot what imminent means, but lets take Trump at his word..There was an imminent threat to Americans. That is what he said.

It is logical to suggest that if there was a legitimate threat to Americans our President would inform the American people of that imminent threat without revealing sources and methods. That has been done throughout our history.

But not with Trump. In an interview with Fox's Laura Ingraham, Trump was asked if he could reveal the nature of the imminent threat to Americans. Trump said he could not, but he could reveal that four embassies were being threatened.

“I can reveal that I believe it probably would’ve been four embassies,” Trump said. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...es-were-targeted-in-imminent-threat-from-iran

Trump can be a very funny man sometimes. "Defense Secretary Mark Esper undercut Trump’s claim that the Iranian general was planning to target four American embassies," and Republican Senators who were briefed on Wednesday knew nothing about such a threat.

President Trump on Monday said it didn’t matter if Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani posed an imminent threat to the United States because of his “horrible past.”

“The Fake News Media and their Democrat Partners are working hard to determine whether or not the future attack by terrorist Soleimani was ‘eminent’ or not, & was my team in agreement,” Trump incorrectly spelled imminent. “The answer to both is a strong YES., but it doesn’t really matter." https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-matter-if-soleimani-posed-an-imminent-threat

Trump was forced to reveal that he lied because there is nothing there, no imminent threat, no threat to our embassies. Just vague threats that have been put out by the Iranian regime since 1979.

"Oh! What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive"

 

As you have been told for almost 3 years now, Trump will remain your President until at least January 2021.

 

Thank you, and I see your point. I am weary of Trump's countless bombastic threats that become totally meaningless.

I should have said grow a brain.

Of course, that is pointless as well.