"Virginia Democrats won an election. Gun owners are talking civil war"

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  1. Spim

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    I thought that was just steyer, quite a bold statement he made there, i don't think it resonated.
     
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    Oh, so the State voter doesn't count now cause some Barney Fifes aren't happy the people of Virginia don't see things the way they do, got it, I think Democracy isn't the right term for that type of thinking
     
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    When local elections are being influenced by out of state actors, it is certainly not democracy.
     
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    Why do you not understand that, under the US system, some things are beyond the will of the majority?
     
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    Thank you,
    Among those things that are beyond the will of the majority are the protections of the minority as guaranteed under our Constitution.

    By the way, the Bloomberg - Northam administration was only installed by a slim, 5,000 vote margin with only 44% of eligible voters voting.
     
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    They want to take the guns because they want to do things they know we'll shoot them for.
     
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    If Virginia dems repent and go by the US constitution they will be fine.
     
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    Got it. It's only "Democracy" when Leftists do it.

    I hate to break the news to you, but the people of Virginia who persuaded the local officials they elected to declare their counties 2nd Amendment sanctuaries are State voters, as are the local officials who responded to their petitions.
     
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    And they did it by voting, at the county level.
     
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    Yes, we did.

    It's going to be interesting to see how this affects our next round of elections. This issue has gotten a lot of Virginians off the political sidelines.
     
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    Were the people elected on a gun reform platform not chosen by voters in the State of Virginia? The entire State of Virginia? Not local voters from individual districts in Virginia but the entire State of Virginia?
     
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    How many people are you willing to kill to enforce these unnecessary and ineffective laws?
     
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    I have no issue with Trump obeying our laws, something he only does when it suits him.

    I have no problem with the citizens of any city making local laws as long as those laws do not violate the Constitution, and Sanctuary Cities laws are not in violation of the Constitution or any of its amendments.

    Who is taking anyone's guns? I read the short overviews of the four proposed laws, and none of them called for confiscation.
     
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    Why would they "come for" me at all? None of these Virginia bills call for confiscation, and my gun is not a high-capacity rapid fire rifle.

    The right sure does get their boxers into a bunch over this issue.
     
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    Oh good grief. YOU made the claim without specifying which new law would be challenged. All I did was to ask you which one. Now you're expecting me to read your mind? Now, there is a scary thought.

    You seem lost and confused. Please look back through your own posts on this thread. Tell me which of th four new Virginia laws you meant, and I will be happy to debate you on your claim that it wouldn't hold up in the SCOTUS.
     
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    What do you have, one of those military style sniper rifles? Nobody needs one of those.
     
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    https://www.whsv.com/content/news/S...vances-other-proposed-gun-laws-566941011.html

    Looks like the Democrats heeled.
     
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    Why is anyone being killed? And can't see how banning assault weapons whose only purpose by design is to kill as many as possible in less time an unnecessary law
     
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    What do you think will happen when the state tries to enforce the ban on possession of 'assault weapons'?
    As there is no rational basis for your statement, above, you can't see it because you don't want to.
     
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    Do you realize how many laws someone would have to break to sell guns in your fantasy scenario? Either laws work or they don't. Since it's already illegal would passing more laws to prevent that scenario make it twice as illegal? If you are proposing taking more than 393 million guns away from law abiding citizens please explain how that would work.
     
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    Or threatened big to attain lesser concessions, other gun measures are moving forward

    And it is a start, most likely last year nothing close would have ever moved this far, only a matter of time, and with the rate of mass shootings in the US, time is on the gun reformers side
     
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    Well if they did, nothing, lot of threatening and perhaps a single instance of stupid violence, but largely nothing, similar to Occupy Oregon

    If such is the case, that banning assault weapons isn't a good idea, then it should be easy for you to tell us why anyone other than perhaps a real collector would need an assault weapon, and please, no squirrel hunting narrative
     
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    Ah yes - using the blood of the innocent to advance an otherwise un-sellable agenda.

    On average, ~10 people per year are killed in a mass shooting with an 'assault weapon' - how does this demonstrate the necessity of banning their sale and possession?
     
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    So the police are there to kill as many people as possible in less time.
     

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