The boy who cried wolf

Do you notice how he often couches things in black vs white terminology -- "Nancy Pelosi will go down as the worst speaker in the history of time" or "best economy in history" or some wild mischaracterization.

You have to think at some level this is intentional - and studied. Trump is a good frontman - good enough to have his own reality TV show.

Not so good and doing what is best for the nation.. and an Establishment wonk - doing mostly the bidding of his establishment backers.

I think the writing was on the wall "we have lost the ME" - at least with respect to Syria/Iraq/Iran/Yemen -prior to Trump entering the show.

This is just the after effects of cleaning up that mess. Soleimani however was way over the top. That was messed up - whomever was on board with advising that action has a screw loose.

The general covenant - "you don't target Diplomats of Foreign Nations" - is a millennia's old covenant for a reason.

This is coupled with the fact that we are not longer able to get away with "Do as we say - not as we do" - like we used to when we were the only economic game in town. Thing is .. back then - we only need whisper our desires and nations would rush to submit - we did not violate this international norm in such a way.

Then you have the glaring hypocrisy on public display to the world- and everyone on the planet recognizes this hypocrisy (sans far too many citizens of the US public)

It is not some secret that we have diplomat's that have engaged in actions far worse than this Soleimani - a dude we had never heard of until they assassinated him. Should these folks be afraid that this is the new norm ? What about the diplomats of other nations - ones that have offended Russia or China in some way - should they now be afraid ?

Obviously I am being somewhat hyperbolic with my examples - but it is the principle.

Speaking of "Hyperbolic" though
The UK is abandoning its alliance with Trump as the United States 'withdraws from its leadership around the world'

.https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-...thdraw-leadership-world-qassem-soleiman2020-1

That is some strong language from the only nation of significance in the so-called "Coalition of the Willing"

I have not checked to see what other nations are saying but - while perhaps not quite as visceral - I suspect it is not good.

 

This is Trump defining "truthful hyperbole." He uses it daily, multiple times a day.

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.”

His fans eat it up.

Not everyone. You are overlooking Trump's fans.

 

Greg Sargent writes, "After President Trump retweeted a doctored image of Democratic leaders dressed in Islamic garb, the White House offered a curious justification: Trump retweeted that image to send the message that Democrats are on the side of terrorists.

"This was apparently intended as a defense.

"Which would appear to mean the White House’s official message is now that depictions of Democrats in Muslim garb denote Democratic support for terrorists."

The tweet from our President is so disgusting, I had difficulty finding it on the internet, but I finally did. It appears below.


The corrupted Dems trying their best to come to the Ayatollah's rescue.#NancyPelosiFakeNews



2:23 AM - Jan 13, 2020

Trump is one sick puppy.

 

Why did you make a statement (see above) that you know is not true?

 

You missed the "Sans far to many US citizens" - This is not just about Trump - average Joe does not realize what is going on. Get more complex than a beer after work and you will have lost most.

A man walks into a bar - turns to the person beside him and says - how about the war in Syria why are we there 19 out of 20 will say - fighting ISIS or Assad is a bad guy. Tell them - ISIS and Al Qaeda were actually our allies during most of the war - and the people of Syria like Assad far batter than the radical Islamist Jihadist proxy army we sent against him.

Let me know how that works out Not sure how much you travel but you don't really get how much of a propaganda bubble we live in until you travel abroad for fairly extended periods.

 

Which president of the united states has not sacrificed lives for political gain? Every single war the united states has been engaged in can be viewed as sacrificing lives for political gain. Sometimes it is the lives of citizens that get sacrificed, sometimes it is the lives of those that are not citizens that get sacrificed.

 

Yes, that is why Trump has the support that he does. Roughly 40% of Americans have no idea what he is doing or what he says, and they don't want to know. Sources like Fox protect their sensitivities. Yesterday, Trump sent off a bunch of disgusting tweets, really sick. I watch Fox everyday. Fox made no mention of his tweets.

There are countless examples of the right wing media protecting Trump. His fans say the respected media -- ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, WSJ, Times, Post, etc. -- engages in "fake news" and they chose to ignore the truth.

However, as we both have learned on PF, when we ask his fans to defend him, they are unable to do so in a satisfactory way. They make unsubstantiated accusations and statements. When asked to account for them, they give up.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Trump's fans are not on PF or we could straighten them out.

 

Nice unsubstantiated accusation you just made there.

 

I have no respect for CNN, FOX, and the others you mentioned ... all of who engage in false narrative - and grossly guilty of the "Sin of Omission" - and of ignoring the Truth.

Our MSM is a Establishment propaganda mouthpiece.. do not hesitate to ask for examples

What is true is that one will accuse the other of "fake news" when it is not "fake news".

You will not find the devil in assessing the issues on which the two sides disagree - The devil can be found in the region where both agree.

 

I can think of only one other President did that, George W. Bush. The Iraq war was a war of aggression to obtain control of Middle East oil. No, I will not debate the pros and cons of the Iraq war.

Beyond Bush. please provide Presidents who fought wars for political gain and explain why you feel that way.

I have found it true that Presidents who start wars -- Bush, maybe Trump -- become very unpopular. Bush was nearly impeached. Trump is impeached.

Put a different way, you just made that up.

 

Once again, I see your point. What are your favorite sources for the news?

 

The substantiation is this thread and your posts.

 

Politico reports, "Sen. Tim Kaine has secured enough Republican votes to pass a revised version of his resolution to curb President Donald Trump’s military efforts in Iran.

"Kaine said Tuesday the new resolution now has support from Republican Sens. Todd Young of Indiana and Susan Collins of Maine, giving him the four GOP votes he needs for it to pass. Republicans Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Rand Paul of Kentucky also back it.

"Kaine’s resolution limits the Trump administration’s military actions against Iran without congressional approval. The House passed a similar measure last week."

Good, even some Republicans know they have to stop the idiot in the Oval Office from starting a disastrous war with Iran.

 

Let’s see some proof? You started the accusations chief.

 

Do you do drugs??

 

No, it's called self gratification. Nothing to do with wolves and everything to do with me, me, and more me.

 

I rest my case.

 

G, I agree with you on some things, as you know. But geez, man, Soleimani was a soldier, not a diplomat. He was meeting with a commander of a Shiite militia, not Iraqi government officials, when he was killed.

 

Some of Trump's sickening tweets yesterday.

The White House‏Verified account @WhiteHouse

President @realDonaldTrump just now: "We killed Soleimani, the number one terrorist in the world by every account . . . When the Democrats try to defend him, it's a disgrace to our country."

The Democrats are not defending Soleimani. That is a lie.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago

“We demand fairness” shouts Pelosi and the Do Nothing Democrats, yet the Dems in the House wouldn’t let us have 1 witness, no lawyers or even ask questions. It was the most unfair witch-hunt in the history of Congress!

A common lie, told nearly every day. Trump refused to take part in the impeachment inquiry. He refused to defend himself, refused to send his lawyers, prevented those with direct knowledge to testify, refused requested documents. His Republican defenders had equal time in the hearings.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 11h11 hours ago

The Democrats and the Fake News are trying to make terrorist Soleimani into a wonderful guy, only because I did what should have been done for 20 years. Anything I do, whether it’s the economy, military, or anything else, will be scorned by the Rafical Left, Do Nothing Democrats!

That is a pathetic lie. Trump has a very serious mental problem.

Trump tweets only to his base, and they believe this shyt.

 

Depends on what one is looking for - CNN- FOX and the MSM are fine for some stuff. It's mostly when then Establishment propaganda narrative is being challenged that they go off the ranch. Especially foreign policy is involved - such as a war - such as the war in Syria.

On the domestic front Russiagate was a joke - not the idea that Russia may have hacked the DNC - and funded some FB ads - it was the whole narrative around these actions that was a complete clown show - with a full court press on the "sin of omission" -and false narrative up the wazoo.

Lets assume that Assange was lying when he said he didn't get the info from Russia - and Russia did the hack. This a case of cyber security - and should be taken seriously. We spy - the Russian's spy - and this has been going on for years. It is also regular practice for us to meddle in the elections of other nations.

The narrative was that Russia "Harmed" our electoral process. Russia hacked the DNC - but the hack itself did not harm our electoral process in any way .

What is claimed is that releasing the information from the hack "Harmed" our electoral process. It is a valid claim I think that the release of this information affected the votes of some people - in particular Bernie supporters - as the info showed how Hillary/DNC messed with our electoral process with respect to Bernie.

The question is then - How does the voter knowing the Truth about Candidate Hillary prior to voting "Harm" our electoral process? This is Orwellian doublespeak.

My claim is that the release of this information helped our electoral process - It is good for a voter to know the Truth about a Candidate prior to voting.

There there was the nonsense narrative with respect to attempts to influence our electoral process by a foreign actor.
It is true that releasing the info and the FB ads constitute such an attempt. What is also true is that this is like comparing a rain drop to a hurricane. You want to talk influence by foreign actors in our electoral process - the list is long -and Putin ranks very low.

Then you had the "Trump is a Russian Puppet" false narrative. Trump is a puppet alright - but it is not Putin who is pulling the strings.

Trump is an elitist - his ideology is Social Darwinism - (Eugenics - rebranded as "Behavioral determinism) That one success depends on strengths or weaknesses of character which is rooted in ones genes - but also - that structures in society form as result of the genes desire to survive - survival of the fittest.

Hierarchy in society is justified on this basis as being - "the natural order" and as such should not be tampered with. The poor and "lower classes" are there because they are genetically "unfit". Many many of Trumps actions can be much better understood in this light - he caters to the elite - the lower classes - not so much. His admiration for dictators - they may be bad guys but - these are genetically fit individuals.

The international financiers that bailed Trump out - aka Rothschild/Rockefeller consortia - have far more power and sway over Trump than Putin could ever dream of. Ivanka did not date one of Putin's daughters - she dated Nathan Rothschild.

Trump did not appoint one of Putin's henchmen to commerce secretary - he appointed Wilbur Ross - the dude who bailed him out while working for a Rothschild bank.

Putin barely moves the needle relative to the power of this Consortia within the US.

 

Soleiman was a top General in the Iranian Military - substitute "General" for "Diplomat" if you like - it makes no difference to the original point. Should we start going around targeting generals we don't like - and other countries do the same ?

This is bad Karma.

 

What of world war one? World war two? The korean war? The vietnam war? Do all not count as presidents of the united states sacrificing lives for political gains? If not, then why not?

 

I just asked, "What are your favorite sources for the news?"

You never answered the question, and, sorry, I am not going to get into all that. This thread is about Trump trying to start a disastrous war with Iran because he wanted to change the subject.

In that spirit, the Trump administration has abruptly canceled three classified congressional briefings related to the ongoing Iran crisis, in some cases providing little or no explanation for doing so.The State Department called off two briefings that were scheduled for Wednesday. The Pentagon also scrapped Thursday's classified briefing on Iran for the House Armed Services Committee.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee expected to hear from top State Department officials about the administration's Iran policy and authorities for the use of force before the last-minute schedule changes.

The sudden briefing cancellations come as some lawmakers continue to question the administration's justification for killing Iranian General Qasem Soleimani. Senators appear likely to rebuke President Donald Trump soon in the form of a vote on a war powers resolution to limit his military actions in Iran.

Trump, once again, is rejecting the oversight role of Congress, and Republicans in Congress, so far, are encouraging the removal of their powers.

 

Tell me about the political gains in those wars. What were Presidents Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, and Johnson trying to obtain politically from those wars? Why do you have trouble explaining yourself? Is it because you are making it up as you go along?

For example, Truman as the war President of Korea lost reelection. As a consequence of his decisions in the Vietnam War, Johnson refused his party's nomination. After WWI, Wilson got nothing from the Senate and in October 1919 he lost his mind. Roosevelt died during WWII.

In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about. Only Bush and Trump attempted political gain from war. Bush was nearly impeached. Trump is impeached.

Perhaps you learned something from all this. Lesson No. 1, don't make up stories on the internet. It makes you look foolish.

 

Ahh .. right - news sources. Depends on what you are looking for. CNN/FOX are fine for normal stuff - but when necessary illusions and establishment false narratives are the topic - that is not the place to go. Go anywhere but there . or the NY-Times and so on.

If you want to hear the other side - some voices from the US that dissent - go to RT