'How dare you': Greta Thunberg tears into world leaders over inaction at U.N. climate summit

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  1. Daniel Light

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    Nope. I’ve just used the world’s largest equity holder which has just announced they will divest their holdings of companies that are not moving toward steps to address climate change issues.

    When Wall Street has accepted the reality of climate change issues, the debate is over. Now we can start addressing how we’re going to face that reality - managed retreat from the coasts, increased budgets for wildfires, and a more sustainable infrastructure.
     
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    Dude, I’ve said hello to Trump several times at Mar a Lago, doesn’t mean I’m going to vote for him.

    As for Trump’s accomplishments? What are they? No solutions for health care, the National Debt, the Iran or North Korea problems, deteriorated relations with our allies ... everything that was a problem when he took office is still a problem.
     
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    Appointed many many Constitutional minded Judges, slowed illegal immigration down to almost nothing, Unemployment at all time low, wages of minorities at record highs, no longer dependent on foreign oil, Veterans can now choose their own doctor, mandatory purchase of government healthcare abolished, yes, and the wall is being built. All this in spite of the fact leftists have been calling for his impeachment before his inauguration. A scary impeachment precedent for future Presidents.
     
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    Oil independence was achieved before Trump took office.

    You claim that Trump has slowed illegal immigration to almost nothing- what is the need to spend billions on a wall?

    Clinton was impeached but had better GDP numbers than Trump and increased the debt far less than Trump.
     
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    Oil independence was achieved before Trump took office.

    You claim that Trump has slowed illegal immigration to almost nothing- what is the need to spend billions on a wall?

    Clinton was impeached but had better GDP numbers than Trump and increased the debt far less than Trump.
     
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    Which, once again, amounts to exactly what of real-world significance that will be meaningful?

    Details pertaining to that of myself are of no relevance to the discussion at hand. The same question could easily be presented with regard to yourself and real world impact, but such details would remain equally irrelevant to the discussion.
     
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    What on earth are you talking about?

    What does any of this have to do with her 'worldview' (or in her case, that of her parents and handlers)? And what does MY worldview have to do with anything said about the Greta situation?

    FTR, I've been living the 'radical greenie' crap since before Greta was born.
     
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    She will have actually achieved something if/when she manages to convince the middle and upper class twits she panders to, to stop living like middle and upper class twits. When she convinces them to live as per the Third World peasant, she'll have done some good.

    What are the chances, do you think? Given she spends all her time telling Govts and Business to fix things so her middle and upper class twit fans can keep living large?
     
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    None of that will do a damned thing, except perhaps delay the inevitable for a few nanoseconds. On the contrary, it will make things worse .. because it will give permission to First Worlders to keep living like there's no tomorrow.
     
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    So..we have a fake news problem? Still you aren't very generous are you....as to be expected from someone who thinks there aren't enough resources to decently employ and lift everyone out of poverty, in this (post industrial) age of advancing AI and IT.

    Actually you touch on an important point (which Daniel Light, and the Left generally, should also acquaint themselves with):

    Trump is an MMT'er (without knowing it) to the extent he is not concerned by the size of the government budget deficit, or the typical mainstream economists' insistence on balanced federal budgets.

    Trump knows the US government, the sole issuer of the US currency, can always repay its debts now or anytime in the future (providing productive capacity of the economy is maintained.....which has nothing to do with the quantum of government debt, but everything to do with the way available resources including labour are managed going forward).

    Check this article out:

    https://reason.com/2019/07/18/rush-limbaugh-abandons-fiscal-conservatism/

    Rush Limbaugh Abandons Fiscal Conservatism

    The pundit heavily criticized President Obama for excessive spending. Now he says it doesn't matter.

    Facts? You do realise wages growth (in %) is not the same as wage amount (in $); and the above graph is hiding increasing wage inequality?

    ie, percentages are deceptive; 4.5% of $20,000 is much less than 2.9% of $200,000 (and btw what is the average wage of the top 25% of wage earners?

    Meantime the next decade will be fascinating. China, with its higher density population has every reason to go green* - because of price AND environmental considerations. If they end up with zero marginal cost green energy, you lose....

    * because of the size of its population, China is still building coal fired power plants, but at the same time they are deploying green technology at a faster rate than anyone else.
     
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    You are offering to give them your own money?
    Interesting how you make stuff up and then falsely attribute your works of fiction as the positions of others and then use your false statements to denigrate their character.
    Link and pull quote to support your claim that Trump has stated that he is not concerned about the size of budget deficits.
    Link and pull quote please.
    I have less money if someone else has more?
    If Zebras had wings and a horn they would be unicorns!
    Yea China! They treat their country and our oceans like their own personal toilet to the cheers of those envious of their complete power over those they rule.

    BECAUSE IT’S ALL THEATER FOR THE RUBES, AND SHE’S THEIR TOOL: Greta Hectors Davos: Why Are Elitists Thrilled To Be Lectured By A Child Who Knows Nothing? Our elites are willing to be hectored when it’s all about them adopting policies that cement their control.
     
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    Apparently you have already forgotten that 1st world economies can guarantee above poverty full employment to everyone of working age, as explained by MMT.

    Your economic philosophy, based on un-managed competition and self-interest, deserves to be condemned.

    https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2020/01/22/stakeholder-capitalism-in-davos/

    "Getting the richest one percent to pay just 0.5 percent extra tax on their wealth over the next 10 years would equal the investment needed to create 117 million jobs in sectors such as elderly and childcare, education and health.

    [​IMG]


    Back in 2016:

    This is the first link that came up

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/06/donald-trump-on-us-debt.html

    You can see two mainstream fools criticising Trump for saying the Fed can safely increase government debt.

    More:

    https://qz.com/1387565/trump-told-gary-cohn-to-print-money-to-repay-the-national-debt-thats-bananas/

    ECON 101
    Trump wanted to print money to repay the national debt. That’s bananas

    Donald Trump has made his ignorance of Economics 101 abundantly clear—from his late-night phone calls to ask how the dollar works to his constant confusion over the cause of the US trade imbalance. Bob Woodward just added another striking episode to the list.

    The latest tidbit comes from Fear: Trump in the White House, the renowned investigative journalist’s book on the internal struggles of the Trump administration. According to CNBC, Woodward reports the following exchange between Trump and Gary Cohn, the former director of the National Economic Council, while discussing the national debt:

    Trump: “Just run the presses—print money.”

    Cohn: “You don’t get to do it that way. We have huge deficits and they matter. The government doesn’t keep a balance sheet like that.”

    Now certainly Trump doesn't understand either MMT or mainstream neoliberalism with its deficit myths, but you get the drift....

    The Rush Limbaugh link is there. Hint: press on it and read the article..... Limbaugh's epiphany on the road to Damascus...? more likely, " a smart (and cynical) pivotal move" to benefit Trump...

    If you are unemployed or working below the poverty level, yes. That's mal-distribution of resources.

    You mean: sunshine and wind aren't free? They are - and what's not to like about that, except if you have shares in Chevron and co.....

    They are lifting their game - their own population is demanding it. Then there's the EU; Germany and the EU are setting exit dates from filthy fossil.

    Your use of the word 'elite' is disingenuous at best and deliberately deceptive at worst. The 1% noted at the top of this post ARE the elite....and they aren't keen to let go of the filthy fossil industry with its massive profits based on high prices for ordinary consumers. Greta is appealing to those who want a world without poverty AND a sustainable future.
     
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    The Bank for International Settlements (BIS), which acts as the central bank to the world's central banks, overnight told its members they had to start incorporating climate change into their thinking about the stability of the economy.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...nomy-from-climate-change-20200120-p53szi.html

    RBA told to 'mobilise all forces' to save the economy from climate change
    As Australian business leaders grow increasingly worried climate change will hit their bottom lines and the International Monetary Fund warns global warming is now a major financial risk, a new warning issued by the world's top central bank says the RBA could be forced into rescuing the economy and the environment.

    As expected, the treasurer said: "I can't see it happening"....he knows nothing of MMT.
     
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    Greta Tumpberg!......used by the media to enhance their position of global warming....which is a hoax.....man cannot cause the tem. on this planet to change..
     
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    MMT adds nothing of value.
    You think America has no business regulation? How silly!
    I asked you for a TRUMP quote, with a link. I'm not surprised that you were unable to support your preposterous claim.
    And yet we are enjoying strong economic growth, rising wages, especially for the bottom two quartiles, and the strongest labor market of our lifetimes.
    You again failed to provide link and a pull quote to support your outlandish claims, not surprised!
    Right. Germany's percentage of electricity generated from coal is 48% higher than the US. But yea! Germany! and boo! US!
    It's used perfectly.
    DONALD AT DAVOS: Trump teaches a lesson to the crybabies back home.

    The president also had some advice for the crybabies and selfish children who disdain to be pleased. Cheerfulness is better than pouting, he noted, recommending that we ‘reject the perennial prophets of doom and their predictions of the apocalypse.’

    ‘They are the heirs of yesterday’s foolish fortune-tellers…they predicted an overpopulation crisis in the 1960s, mass starvation in the 1970s, and an end of oil in the 1990s. These alarmists always demand the same thing: absolute power to dominate, transform and control every aspect of our lives. We will never let radical socialists destroy our economy, wreck our country, or eradicate our liberty. America will always be the proud, strong and unyielding bastion of freedom.’

    Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin Just Stated Obvious About Teen Environmental Oracle Greta Thunberg and the Left Is Melting Down. Including Fredo, who plays the obvious “clown nose on” reaction:

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    More blind ideology based on classical economics; the social value of caring for people and environments is very real if not measured by markets.

    The US has no means of valuing desirable social activity that should be funded by the public sector, not the private sector.

    Can't you comprehend a you-tube commentary, or read a linked article?

    And yet life expectancy is decreasing due to poverty related causes.....google it yourself, I won't waste my time since you prove you can't read the links I provide, as shown by:

    here it is AGAIN:

    https://reason.com/2019/07/18/rush-limbaugh-abandons-fiscal-conservatism/

    And in 2038? (Germany's full exit date).

    ..as conceived by a free market, fossil fuel ideologue.


    Ah... the socialist bogeyman...

    Fine, your choice.
    Non-ideologues will go with Rifkin's "Third Industrial Revolution" (as explained in his new book: the Green New Deal) based on free clean energy, where every house is connected by the smart grid, to allow the export and import of free clean energy.

    But I notice those in power always say we never had it so good; they don't know - and worse - can't conceive - what it's like not to be able to afford hospital care, or to be saddled withy debt at the start of a career, or the need to access assistance to buy basics such as food and housing.​

    .

    At Davos, Mnuchin has demanded of Thunberg that she learn about economics...talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
    ….

    More on Trump and deficits and MMT (just in):

    https://www.dailynews.com/2020/01/24/trump-embraces-leftist-view-that-deficits-dont-matter/

    By Steven Greenhut | |
    PUBLISHED: January 24, 2020 at 4:42 pm | UPDATED: January 24, 2020 at 4:43 pm
    SACRAMENTO –

    "There’s a newly popular leftist economic concept known as Modern Monetary Theory, which argues that because government prints its own money it doesn’t have to worry about running up deficits or even raising taxes to pay for more government spending. According to this idea, the currency is a public monopoly, so government has few restrictions on its funding. It can’t go bankrupt because it owns the printing presses".

    Note:
    1. it's not a leftist economic theory, it's a description of how money works; and
    2. government faces resource constraints, though not purely financial constraints….(as opposed to the inaccurate term "few restrictions")
    .......
    "the burgeoning economic justifications for this trendy theory seem rather complex at first glance. But it’s one of the simplest ideas in the world. Government can give everything away to everyone — and no one has to pay the price. It’s a trendy form of magical thinking wrapped up in some economic mumbo-jumbo".

    See how the author now launches into full blown lies.
    Note these are the same lies and misrepresentations that know-nothings like Mnuchin want to spread about MMT.

    Fact is: MMT says government may purchase whatever is available for sale (including labour) in its own currency, which in no way corresponds to "can give everything away to everyone — and no one has to pay the price". (The article is either deliberately misleading or displaying limited powers of comprehension caused by ideological blindness).

    Finally, the relevant paragraph concerning Trump:

    "Apparently, left-wingers aren’t the only ones these days who want to have a chat about “free money” economic theories. At a fund-raiser at his Mar-a-Lago resort last week, President Donald Trump touted his enormous new Pentagon budget (which he inaccurately pinned at $2.5 trillion) and reportedly dismissed concerns about growing deficits and federal debt: “Who the hell cares about the budget? We’re going to have a country.”

    Sounds like an accurate report of Donald J Trump to me....you want to dispute the accuracy of the report?
     
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    The Private Sector funds the Government.
    Can you comprehend the request for a pull quote? I'm not interested in you saying: So and So said this! Only to find out that and undisclosed source claims something they inferred is a "fact".
    No it isn't. Working Age persons are seeing a six percent rise in suicide, drug overdose, alcohol consumption related deaths and obesity related deaths.
    Treasury Secretary Mnuchin Just Stated Obvious About Teen Environmental Oracle Scoldilocks Thunberg, and Some on the Left Are Melting Down
    "Reportedly?" After all the lies from unnamed sources no one with a brain gives such nonsense the time of day.
     
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    Oh sure, meantime they are going the wrong direction.

    Researchers, based at UC Berkeley, UC Santa Barbara, and Carnegie Mellon University, found that Germany's increase in coal useage led to the release of an additional 36 million tons of carbon dioxide per year, or about a 5 percent increase in emissions. More distressingly, the researchers estimated that burning more coal led to local increases in particle pollution and sulfur dioxide and likely killed an additional 1,100 people per year from respiratory or cardiovascular illnesses.

    Altogether, the researchers calculated that the increased carbon emissions and deaths caused by local air pollution amounted to a social cost of about $12 billion per year. Akshaya Jha, an economist at Carnegie Mellon and an author of the study. “It’s also clear that people don’t realize the cost of local air pollution is pretty severe. It’s a silent killer.”

    https://www.wired.com/story/germany-rejected-nuclear-powerand-deadly-emissions-spiked/
     
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    Exactly...and that's the current untenable situation; IOW, self-interested private interests fund public amenity... hence the phrase 'public squalor amidst private wealth'.

    In fact, the public sector doesn't need the private sector's money. See MMT (already explored in the addendum to my previous post, including a refutation of the lies which the mainstream typically concoct re MMT.).

    Well, we now know both Limbaugh and Trump aren't concerned about government deficits.

    Yes...related to unemployment, poverty and associated depressive illnesses...….

    Thunberg is concerned about AGW climate change as reported by scientists.
    Young people have been demonstrating at Davos for years about the inequalities of capitalism; which the mainstream has always ignored.

    Tell that to Limbaugh.
    "The pundit heavily criticized President Obama for excessive spending. Now he says it doesn't matter".

    Is that fake news?

    And as for Trump: so you think this current report from Steven Greenhut is fake news:

    "(TRUMP at his Mar-a-Lago resort last week) reportedly dismissed concerns about growing deficits and federal debt: “Who the hell cares about the budget? We’re going to have a country.”

    While Steven is relying on the words of another party, the substance is obviously there - that's the whole point of Greenhut's article, ie, to rubbish both Trump and MMT.

    That's what Trump is thinking now in 2020; back in 2016 we see this:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/133431/donald-trump-right-deficits-dont-matter



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    Donald Trump Is Right: Deficits Don’t Matter
    By David Dayen
    May 11, 2016

    “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter,” Vice President Dick Cheney said when the Bush administration sought a second round of tax cuts in 2003. This fits with a rich tradition of conservative tax-cutters abandoning deficit hawkery when they want to hand money to favored groups. But some economists on the left agree with Cheney that deficits don’t matter—at least not as much as more jobs and prosperity for all—and their views are getting newfound attention because of an offhand comment by presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

    Trump found himself well outside of mainstream thinking about deficits and debt last week when he suggested that the United States could borrow money to shore up the economy and simply ask for discounts on the debt later. Doing so would sap confidence in U.S. Treasury bonds, considered the safest financial investment in the world. The resulting interest rate rise would defeat the purpose of getting a discount on the debt, not to mention potentially triggering financial catastrophe.

    Trump later explained that he was merely referring to buying back existing debt at a discount if interest rates went higher, lowering the nominal value. This is something the U.S. does routinely. But Trump went further when he told CNN on Monday, “This is the United States government… you never have to default because you print the money.” *

    (* does this meet your specifications for a 'pull quote'?)

    Trump’s statement sounds a lot like Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), a tenet of economists who believe in de-emphasizing the need for deficit reduction because the U.S. controls its own currency. Balanced budgets, to MMTers, take money out of the hands of ordinary Americans who can put it to more productive use through job creation and consumer spending. The deficit only matters once you reach full employment, when overheated consumer demand can lead to inflation. But we’re nowhere near that point right now, meaning there’s plenty of room for deficits, without any possibility of default.

    One MMT advocate, Stephanie Kelton of the University of Missouri-Kansas City, worked for Bernie Sanders in the Senate and now advises his campaign. But even Sanders emphasizes deficit reduction, by promoting higher taxes on the wealthy and Wall Street transactions. Kelton’s worldview, and in this instance Trump’s, goes far beyond even Sanders’s comfort level on the issue.

    I’m almost certain that Donald Trump had no intention of stumbling into this philosophical debate, traditionally fought between the left and the far left. But his freewheeling style of political rhetoric often drops him into uncharted territory. In this case, Trump exposed an unsaid but prevalent conservative hypocrisy about deficits.

    (Read the entire article, it's very instructive).

    The situation in Germany was made worse by the decision to exit nuclear (after the disaster in Japan), but the exit from fossil has now been set:

    BERLIN (Reuters) Jan 15, 2020
    Germany is set to become the first country to drop both nuclear and coal power under a landmark agreement to compensate workers, companies and regional governments as it switches off brown coal-fired plants by 2038.

    Why? Well...you in fact supplied the link to the concerns of the German government eg

    "….and deaths caused by local air pollution amounted to a social cost of about $12 billion per year according to Akshaya Jha, an economist at Carnegie Mellon and an author of the study. “It’s also clear that people don’t realize the cost of local air pollution is pretty severe. It’s a silent killer.

    Hence also VW;

    https://thedriven.io/2018/12/05/vw-to-kill-petrol-and-diesel-combustion-cars-from-2026/

    "With an electrification strategy firmly in place for the group’s stable of auto brands, VW is now ready to embrace the end of the internal combustion engine (ICE) age, and is planning the last rollout of ICE platform cars in eight year’s time".
     
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    No. You made that up. I asked you for a pull quote with Trump stating this and you are out dancing Michael Jackson.
    No. You made that up.
    She is parroting the words of those misusing her.
    "Reportedly?" Reported by who?
    That's not news, that's well known, prewar Germany could also print money, but a wheelbarrow of it wouldn't buy a loaf of bread.

    [​IMG]
    You can pretend that your printing money doesn't take it from your fellow citizens, but facts are facts and Americans will never stand for your nonsense.
    Oh sure, for now we will use more, but later we won't use any!
    Yes, from their current increase. You are currently cheering that they will use none someday. Why, their usage may be rising today, but they wrote down on a piece of paper that two decades from now, they will use none!
    VW those would be the same folks that rigged their dirty diesel engines to fool US smog stations by altering the tune of the engine when connected to smog test equipment, and then changing it back to a dirtier tune once it "passed" smog?

    You have some weird heroes.
     
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    You ignored the important part of my post which was:

    " the public sector doesn't need the private sector's money"

    Now, you can retain your ideologue mode and refuse to learn; that makes you irrelevant to both the OP and economics in general.

    Note: for those less ideologically blind, look out for Stephanie Kelton's upcoming book' "The Deficit Myth"

    https://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/titles/stephanie-kelton/the-deficit-myth/9781541736184/


    Those were Trump's words (ie, "you never have to default because you print the money"....and btw you still haven't acknowledged that Trump said those words.

    They are not the words of MMT which in fact states that central banks can buy whatever is available for purchase in the nation's currency.

    In contrast, Weimar was attempting to buy what was unavailable for purchase (after the French confiscated German manufacturing capacity in the Ruhr area, as part of WW1 war reparations).

    Germany made the (ridiculous) decision to exit nuclear, but nevertheless the government has agreed on the fossil exit date.

    Correct. It's called planning.

    Correct.

    Only an ideologue would draw that conclusion; note that I agreed with your previous statement.
     
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    A public sector that is not accountable to The People for funding, is a public sector that is completely free of The People's control
    .

    Further, your claim that money can be freely printed without taking money from us through the devaluing of our currency is a position that has been repeatedly proven false. If your claim is true, why was the currency in Weimar Germany nearly worthless? Or more currently Venezuela, today?

    [​IMG]
    Says who?

    Let me remind you of your original claim: ... "(TRUMP at his Mar-a-Lago resort last week) reportedly dismissed concerns about growing deficits and federal debt: “Who the hell cares about the budget? We’re going to have a country.”

    And I asked you: "Reported by WHO?" Which you pretended out of the discussion by dropping that part of your claim, which answers the question, you don't have a source for your claim.
     
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    First, universal above poverty level participation in the economy is a basic right.
    To be sure, one in six US children live in poverty, yet you, like all blind conservatives, say "we've never had it so good....."

    https://4thworldmovement.org/overco...Grqb1dMntuD-gzVjjhy8Tkwl2Iuvl-RkaAnG3EALw_wcB

    "Poverty isn’t $24,300 a year for a family of four. Poverty isn’t 14.5% of Americans. Poverty is the constant stress of not having enough to eat, of not knowing where you’re going to sleep tonight, of knowing you are one emergency away from sleeping on the streets".

    Now, re funding: ie the question always asked by Conservatives when it comes to funding social welfare programs: "How will we pay for it?"

    The consolidated government sector (treasury and central bank) which can establish this basic right, IS "under the control of the people" (by definition) - it's the government.

    No, that's your ideological, false reinterpretation of what I have posted, or more likely, you obviously can't comprehend the material I post. (Like I said, if you don't want to learn, that's your choice, but I will highlight your misrepresentations).

    Hyperinflation is always related to an attempt to deal with excess demand on non-available resources,
    eg
    1. Weimar: confiscation of Ruhr production, as already explained - and ignored by you.
    2. Venezuela: loss of ability to buy vital imported goods, after oil price collapse (Venezuela was reliant on one commodity for income - oil).
    3. Zimbabwe: loss of food production, after farms owned by white colonists were confiscated by the government, and given back to black farmers who lacked the necessary skills.

    Wow, am I wasting time here....if no one else is following this discussion? You obviously have very poor comprehension skills, or more likely, are being deliberately misleading, unable to engage in genuine debate

    I posted TWO articles, the first from 2020, and the second from 2016.

    1. The 1st article (in 2020) said "TRUMP at his Mar-a-Lago resort last week) reportedly dismissed concerns about growing deficits and federal debt: “Who the hell cares about the budget? We’re going to have a country.”

    You reply with: ... "you pretended out of the discussion by dropping that part of your claim, which answers the question, you don't have a source for your claim".
    (I think I know what you were trying to say, but you obviously weren't thinking clearly enough to actually articulate it....)

    I certainly didn't "pretend out of the discussion". I DID comment on the author's intentions and misunderstandings.

    2. The 2nd article (in 2016) said: "Trump told CNN on Monday, “This is the United States government… you never have to default because you print the money.”

    You forgot that article altogether.....and you still haven't acknowledged that Trump said it (or you are stating the reporter is lying).

    Please improve your comprehension skills. This forum is not some twitter echo chamber, where you don't have to think.....
     
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    Does any of the back and forth disagreement over the importance of the public sector as opposed to the private sector, serve to change the fact that the minor in question, Greta Thunberg, is merely being exploited for the purpose of presenting a political narrative that is not even her own?
     
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