What is wrong with "slut shaming"?

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  1. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I don’t see it as toxic. Maybe to the old way of thinking, but not in general.
     
  2. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    the "old way of thinking" had much to recommend it.
     
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    Young men turning into InCels who go on shooting sprees and young women who are more depressed than ever are not toxic societal phenomenons?
     
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    Please quote where I stated 'rules'. You can't, because I didn't.
     
  5. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Incels aren’t participating. They are left out. That is why they are so angry. The toxicity comes from without, not within the larger social circle.
     
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    Actually, 'sexual liberation' is the old way of thinking, and was only ever in the West. Smarter cultures and people always ignored that brief period of chaos and decline.
     
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    You don't understand the psych of it at all. They are not angry because they're not getting any sex, they're angry because they've been led - by the 'sexual liberationists' - to believe that everyone should be getting laid frequently, with anyone who takes their fancy.

    Incels are a symptom of overtly permissive culture, and its message of sexual entitlement.
     
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    So you have no basis except your supposed knowledge of philosophical thinking.
     
  9. CCitizen

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    No one has scientific proof that the sky is blue, but

    1) Leftists who oppose Free Speech are inhumane.
    2) Leftists who support Identity Politics are inhumane.

    I see this far more among Liberals then among Conservatives.
     
  10. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    They are angry because they are lesser men and their literature tells them it is the fault of feminism. If it was’t for feminism, women would be compliant, they would all have a wife and every thing would be all fine and dandy. That it is the fault of feminists that they feel so emasculated. The fight club mentality comes from a desire to express one’s manliness.

    I’ve run into them often, throughout my life. Weak little $%#*s, trying to lord over me whatever petty authority they thought they held. They don’t seem to see it tends to backfire on them. It is like that they are not aware that whatever quality it is about me that frightens them, is highly attractive to some women, and apparently some gay men too. It is a weird dynamic. How often some jerk has jumped bad with me, and soon after I encountered an interested woman.
     
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    1) If indeed you have many partners, there is a high chance you will be falsely accused of Sexual Misconduct. Even though you insult most men (highlighted), advocates for Presumption of Innocence will support you.

    2) As I have argued elsewhere, sane men should support candidates who are in favor of legalizing sex work -- that would greatly benefit at least 60% of men. Of course the law is the law and I do not advice anyone to date illegal escorts.
     
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    Very few InCels commit violent crime. Every year, InCels in USA commit several million misdemeanors -- hiring an escort. According to US Law both partners are guilty of offenses of similar severity.
     
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    I suppose that Russians and Republicans are upset now that the news outlets and social media are rejecting Russian/Republican alternate realities. On NBC they used to just let Trump’s people spew whatever they wanted. It is quite obvious that Trump and the Russians/Republicans have no intention of being truthful. So they no longer let them just spew. They call them out for their alternate views of reality, for their ever changing excuses, for their questionable “facts”.
     
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    I doubt Liberals will be able to suppress the Opposition online in the long run. It would be hard to censor the Internet. Fortunately most Conservatives do not believe EAP (abbreviation of Mainstream Media).
     
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    So you find it utterly impossible to be civil and respectful and to regard them as equals those men who condemn sexual promiscuity?

    Pretty narrow minded and judgmental on your part.
     
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    It does not matter if they commit in violence or not. The very fact tha the community even exists is telling enough.
     
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    Pretty racist dragging "Russians" into this, is it not? What did Russians as a group ever do to you?
     
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    STD incidence:

    https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats18/default.htm

    Chlamydia 19% increase since 2014
    Gonorrhea 63% increase since 2014
    Primary and Secondary Syphilis 71% increase since 2014
    Congenital Syphilis 185% increase since 2014

    Percentage of children born out of wedlock:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/unmarried/unmarried.htm

    Out of wedlock births and poverty:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/newsgra...reau-links-poverty-with-out-of-wedlock-births

    Out of wedlock births and social mobility:

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

    Increase in antidepressant use:

    https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/11/numbers

    Depression and Promiscuity:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...en-sexual-promiscuity-and-depression-in-teens

    https://www.inquisitr.com/831186/promiscuity-linked-to-anxiety-and-depression-in-college-students/

    Social costs of promiscuity:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/promiscuitys-high-costs-society-wesley-j-smith/

    But sure, it's all about "enslaving women" and RW evangelicals trying to impose their morals on society.

    Complex consumerist-celebrity-promiscuity culture is a sick culture that is costing the U.S. in many ways borne involuntarily by taxpayers. It's time to address the problem honestly and directly rather than with feminist fallacies, cliches, anecdotes and other rationalizations and deflections.
     
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    Penis Envy !
     
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    Seems more like penis interest. :eyepopping:
     
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    And that would be immoral!
     
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    That too :)
     
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    1) You still don't understand it, at all. They are not 'lesser' men, they are ordinary men who've been led to believe they're entitled to more than the 'ordinary man' lot in life. They've been led to believe that settling down with an ordinary girl is not good enough. What do you think becomes of the ordinary men in non-Western cultures? Do you think they're all incels? Of course they're not. They're married and raising families, just like everyone else. They never expected 'more' than that, because their societies never told them they were entitled to 'more', or that they should hold out for a 'better offer', or that the sexual arena was an all you can eat banquet.

    2) I'm not especially interested in your interpersonal difficulties, nor your self-agrandisment.
     
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    They wouldn't be 'dating' them, either way. They'd be loathed customers.
     
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    iViva la revolucion! :D
     

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