Boeing crashes in Iran

The Iranian military made a mistake and shot down a plane full of innocent civilians. The real question is why the damn civilian aircraft was allowed to take off only a couple hours after Iran had fired off 22 missiles at US bases in Iraq? Ya think their defense forces were on hair triggers in anticipation of trump retaliating again?

There appears to be quite enough incompetence to go around.

 

Unless Iran is run by space aliens, people pulling strings at the top will pull more strings to deflect blame, typically toward those who have difficulty fighting back.

Some of your brave soldiers are also risking their lives promoting a long-term agenda of expanding Iran's influence beyond its borders. America has brave soldiers, too, and a lot of what they do is risking their necks to support of extending U.S. influence.

How much expanding influence abroad is justified? Iran is hoping to construct buffer states in Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. The United States is involved in a long-term struggle with China and Russia worldwide, including the Middle East.

The USA and EU have sided with the Saudis and their pals versus Iran because the former control more oil. Iran risks becoming collateral damage if it sides with either or both Russia and China.

The government blames the U.S. It makes no mention of the irresponsible actions of authorities who didn't exercise effective control over defensive forces, and worse still allowed commercial aviation to continue operations near Tehran when it expected a possible retaliation by the United States. Was the government hoping to knock down a cruise missile or fighter jet to score a propaganda victory?

 

Another plane had taken off 30 minutes earlier. Why it wasn't fired at but the Ukrainian plane was is an obvious question.

There were 10 departures from Tehran-IKA from midnight local time 8 Jan through the departure of PS752 at 06:12 LT. Prior to PS752, the last flight movement at IKA was the departure of QR8408 at 05:39 local time.

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/...2-crashes-shortly-after-take-off-from-tehran/

 

Sorry, but calling them Nazis and fascists misrepresents the threat to our interests they actually present.

 

because just because the conditions for an accident are present, doesn't mean that an accident will happen. Couldn't dodge the bullet a second time, though.

 

Now I figured it out. Ukrainian International Airlines isn't allowed to fly over Russian airspace -probably because it's owned by Kolomoisky and he's on Russia's 'wanted' list. Sobo said that Iran had closed off the airspace, so there was no way the airplane could get to Kiev unless they took a chance and entered the closed off airspace.

Since Kolomoisky was declaring bankruptcy and Ukraine was being forced to pay the salaries which they could nil afford to do, they couldn't delay - nor could the pilot afford to take a longer route.

 

How about you not misrepresenting the Iranian threat to American interests by making up inaccurate terms for them like "Islamo-fascists?"

A drive by shooting (see above).

 

This is a stretch, even for you. The Iranians should have grounded commercial aviation under the circumstances.

 

Eh? If Iran closed its airspace, the flight would have been grounded in Tehran.

 

How about theocratic poopieheads?

 

I know this goes against your agenda whatever it might be, but if you look at the map I posted, the area that was closed to air traffic by the Iranian military was between the American base in Iraq and Tehran. The other airlines could go east and due north into Russian airspace, but Russian airspace is closed to the Ukrainian International Airline.

If I'm correct, then the question becomes did the pilot take it on his own initiative, or did he get orders from Kiev? In that case the guilty party would be the one who gave him the orders.

Here's an excerpt from an article about the airline and the problems it is having:

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"...Ukrainian largest air carrier and one of the assets of oligarch Ihor Kolomoysky, UIA, is in a steep peak. We wrote about UIA's record losses, the company faced some problems with paying salaries, and the employees began to quit. The number of complaints about the service of passengers has also increased.

This year the situation has worsened. Recently, the company announced a sharp reduction in flights. And in a recent interview, Minister of Infrastructure Vladyslav Krykliy stated that UIA has debts to the state. And if the issue is not resolved, the company will go bankrupt.

Zelensky's team’s rhetoric regarding UIA has noticeably changed. More recently, Krykliy spoke about the losses suffered by Ukrainian airline companies due to the closure of the Russian sky and even promised them compensation from the budget. UIA then estimated its damage at 203 million USD. But, apparently, they are not going to pay them yet..."​

https://112.international/ukraine-t...-zelensky-save-uia-from-bankruptcy-45290.html

 

FFS, you haven't figured a damn thing out. This thread has officially went to ****. FYI, there are no direct flights from Russia to Ukraine and Ukraine to Russia. No Russian airline is allowed to fly into Ukraine and likewise no Ukrainian airline is allowed to fly into Russia. If you are in Kiev and you want to go to Moscow, you have to fly into Minsk (the easiest way to do it) and connect to Moscow. Belavia Airlines (Belarus) fills that gap.

Furthermore, last summer I went from Kiev to Sochi. My Belavia flight went from Kiev to Minsk, switched planes and then Minsk to Sochi. Of course it's a straight shot from Minsk to Sochi straight over Ukraine but the plane had to go East into Russia and go AROUND Ukrainian airspace because of their current politics. It's got nothing to do with the crappy oligarch that serves the foundation of all your conspiracy theories.

 

The fact the plane was shot down in prima facie evidence it shouldn't have been flying.

The airline should have stood down, too.

 

Although, you surely can't be very happy with @zer0lis' spelling of your name.

 

For those who have not thought about it, the visual characteristics of aircraft mean nothing when viewing aircraft from a radar screen.

Similar paint jobs are not visible from the ground when viewing aircraft flying several miles high. All the radar screen shows is a target, not a picture of the airplane.

MH17 was given a different routing that what it received in Amsterdam on departure, and that change was made by Kiev ATC. MH17 was given a lower altitude by Kiev. It was vectored for the shootdown.

The forensic evidence, quickly taken down by the authorities but seen by many, showed cannon fire took down that airliner.

 

For those who have not thought about it, the visual characteristics of aircraft mean nothing when viewing aircraft from a radar screen.

Similar paint jobs are not visible from the ground when viewing aircraft flying several miles high. All the radar screen shows is a target, not a picture of the airplane.

MH17 was given a different routing that what it received in Amsterdam on departure, and that change was made by Kiev ATC. MH17 was given a lower altitude by Kiev. It was vectored for the shootdown.

The forensic evidence, quickly taken down by the authorities but seen by many, showed cannon fire took down that airliner.

 

On the radar operated by Iran's air defense operators, the aircraft they saw would be indistinguishable from a cruise missile. The way to avoid these incidents isn't based on what the operator sees, but first, grounding commercial air traffic when you are in a situation where you are the highest alert and, secondly, better coordination and communication between the air defense personnel and civilian air traffic controllers. Although, on the latter, I am not sure it is wise to delay what needs to be quick decisions in wartime like situations to seek confirmation from others. By that time you do so, you will likely end up dead with the hostile target taking you out instead. So, ultimately, the real fault here was in not grounding commercial air traffic as far as I am concerned.

This was a tragic incident, which Iran's enemies will like to take advantage of and the regime opponents will be doing so likewise, but the truth is that Iran's armed forces aren't the first to mistakenly shoot down a commercial airliners and, beyond that, friendly fire incidents do occur with enough frequency in wartime with all military forces.

 

Ignore the Iranian missile. This accident was the Americans' fault. Boeing didn't build the passenger plane with anti-missile technology.

This shows the Americans are always at fault!

 

But typically those incidents happen to aircraft or other things coming towards a war or combat zone, not flying away from one.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/01/how-not-operate-surface-air-missile-battery/162361/

 

As it happens, just a day before Iran shot down the Ukrainian plane, Ukraine has left a pro Palestinian comity in the UN.
Now, might it be the case, this is not a mistake, but a retribution ? maybe a warning to other members of the comity not to leave it as well ?
This sounds much more plausible to me, than shooting a plane by "mistake".
Commercial flight routs are well known by defense systems and a commercial plane cannot be confused in any radar, even the most primitive one, with a missile.