Flynn to remove guilty plea

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  1. wist43

    wist43 Banned

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    That's not a crime... registering as a foriegn agent is a pretty routine thing, and can be done retroactively.

    Happens all the time.
     
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    he lied about it to the fbi, not smart
     
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    No he didn't. He didn't deliberately try to withhold or provide false information.

    The FBI on the other hand, was deliberately trying to find contradictory verbiage for the purpose of simply being able to charge him with something. They were fishing.

    What Flynn was stupid about was not being wary of the FBI's motives. In his mind, he had done nothing wrong or illegal, so why should he need a lawyer?? That is what he did that was stupid.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're going to ask Flynn why he withdrew his guilty plea. I can only speculate, but his attorney's claim bad faith on the part of the US government, and I have no trouble with that explanation.

    No, Trump never apologized. He is a Nazi.

    On your last sentence, you are out of sequence. They went to prison first, having been intimidated by the police and prosecutors, and years later were proved innocent by DNA.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Have you ever heard the quip "indicting a ham sandwich"? Do you understand its meaning.

    Flynn was framed, he was a scapegoat and committed no crime.

    Having Soleimani assassinated WAS a crime.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BS. innocent people don’t plead guilty. Your contention that the statements were false and the gubment knew it is also something made up by Flynn’s lawyers.

    Flynn did not register as a representative of a foreign government. Thats just a fact. He got caught, along with his son in illegal activities.

    Technofog is claiming to know things he does not know, and your taking bait, hook-line-sinker
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if they lie, they suffer the consequences.

    this idea that Flynn didn’t lie is ridiculous.

    You guys blamed Obama for everything, now the FBI is Trumps. He has been in office for 3 years. The FBI is his now. So are you claiming his FBI is lying and corrupt ?
     
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    Yes they do, especially when they threaten your family.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Funny how the AIPAC folks don't do that. Selective enforcement of the law is the hallmark of government.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Innocent people plead guilty all the time. The most notorious case of that was the Central Park 5.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bucky, he got caught red handed lying about his work as a lobby for a foreign government. He took his kid and his kid was in the meeting and his kid lied about it too.

    They didn't threaten his kid, they said if Flynn would plead, they wouldn't charge his son for the lie. They gave his son a break !
     
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    Exile to Serbia, or Iceland..
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read up on the truth in this case. He plead because he knew they had him on the lie, and for not registering as a lobby for a foreign government. They didn't threaten to charge his son, they had him red handed too for lying about the meeting, so they OFFERED to not charge him if he plead.

    Flynn was guilty, and he knew they had him. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    I did. The FBI lied, mixed up statements, forged 302 and threatened him and his son and his family. They cornered him into a guilty plea.
     
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    lol, sure, that's it
     
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    AKA: Extortion. You're welcome. In the first place, the FBI had no logical or lawful reason or basis to be recording Flynn in the first place, as a violation of his privacy rights. These are the arguments that will be made, if Judge Sullivan allows him to withdraw his plea and make formal arguments.
     
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    don't disagree, Trump should of apologized for what he did to the central park 5
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your literally making that up

    The core of the "302 issues" is that Flynns camp claims that the FBI did not inform Flynn that lying to them was a crime. And that the handwritten notes were then transcribed claiming that they DID inform him.

    So we're clear here. Flynns defense is that he DID lie to the FBI, but that they should have told him that was illegal. They should have told a 3 star general that he shouldn't lie ;)

    So while everyone is getting all partisan, keep in mind what you're fighting for. The right is claiming that the FBI is wrong because Flynn lied (which he admits to), but they didn't tell him that was a crime
     
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    Extortion ?

    You understand that Flynn doesn't deny that he lied to the FBI right ? Not only about the meeting, but about what was discussed in the meeting. he ADMITS he lied

    It's is perfectly legal to record an interrogation. As long as they inform him that they are "investigating" it is perfectly legal
     
  20. BuckyBadger

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    No, I looked at the case. The 302 was altered, the FBI screwed up the statements and assigned them to the wrong agents.

    You should look closely at this case.
     
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    Your literally making that up

    Nothing was forged. The original 302's were handwritten during the interview and were transcribed as all 302's are
     
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    No, they didn't. As recent as Dec 2019 Flynns "team" tried this and were rejected in court.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/us/politics/michael-flynn-sentencing.html
    Your reading from his defense team, not the facts. They have been rejected in their attempts many times. Claiming this is something new is ridiculous.
     
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    Is that like a racist?
     
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    Much as they forced Cohen to compose his story by threatening his wife. It's what China does.
     
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