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Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

Discussion in 'Law & Justice' started by Egoboy, Jan 16, 2020.

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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  2. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK...and in 2014, the Congress was in the reverse of what it is today...with the Republicans possessing a majority in the House and Democrats in the majority in the Senate. I don't remember any House movement toward impeachment? Why not?
     
    stone6, Jan 16, 2020
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  3. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Guess that sort of defines you, doesn't it?
     
    stone6, Jan 16, 2020
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  4. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Obama is no longer President. Trump is. Obama can't harm us. Trump can. Let's deal with Trump.
     
    XploreR, Jan 16, 2020
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  5. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you think "Nancy's deadline" was? The end of the fiscal year is a separate "deadline," that requires appropriations for a specific year be spent within that FY. Doesn't contradict the Impoundment Control Act.
     
    stone6, Jan 16, 2020
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK...agreed.
     
    stone6, Jan 16, 2020
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  7. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Official TrumpFan answer? - Because Republicans have restraint and don't impeach because they don't like somebody
    Reality - Nothing Obama did over 8 years remotely rose to the level of an average day in Trumpland...
     
    Egoboy, Jan 16, 2020
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    You should call him "Hussein" because that really adds to the substance of your argument.

    Obama saved the life of an American soldier. Bonespurs tried to gain an illegal personal benefit.

    Tell us how they're "exactly the same" again, please.
     
    Nemesis, Jan 16, 2020
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  9. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Trump didn't break the law, but Obama did.

    That's which is it.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 16, 2020
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  10. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is a "watchdog" like a "whistleblower"?
     
    Jestsayin, Jan 16, 2020
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  11. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Simple. Republicans aren't rabid partisan hacks hell bent unseating a duly elected President purely based on hate like the Democrats are.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 16, 2020
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  12. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    How so?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 16, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Obama did harm us.

    Trump hasn't done anything to harm us.

    Let's deal with the rabid partisan Democrats hell bent on undoing a dully elected President.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 16, 2020
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    True, Trump overturned most of Obama’s harm.
     
    Hoosier8, Jan 16, 2020
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    No... Not remotely the same thing...
     
    Egoboy, Jan 16, 2020
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    Obama did no such thing.

    Bergdahl deserted his post and seeked out the enemy for contact.

    Obama traded known terrorists for on fricking deserter.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 16, 2020
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    You should go impeach the man. You are clearly obsessed with Obama.
     
    MrTLegal, Jan 16, 2020
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    It wouldn't be a "high crime" it would be an administrative violation. But let's not forget the Democrat witness in the impeachment inquiry testified that such holds of foreign aid were ROUTINE. And the money and aid was sent. The President has plenary power as to foreign aid so if this for some strange reason went to a court the Executive Branch would assert that and that that trumps, excuse the pun, Congress budgeting the money. If disbursing it interferes with the foreign policy of the United States what wins?

    And the other body concerned with government budgeting and spending highly disagrees

    "The OMB made clear Thursday, however, that it disagreed with the GAO report.

    “We disagree with GAO's opinion," OMB spokesperson Rachel Semmel said. "OMB uses its apportionment authority to ensure taxpayer dollars are properly spent consistent with the President's priorities and with the law.""

    Further, a senior administration official said to Fox News that they believed the GAO was trying to insert itself into impeachment at a time when media attention on the matter is high.

    "GAO’s findings are a pretty clear overreach as they attempt to insert themselves into the media’s controversy of the day. Further, GAO has a history of the flip-flops, reversing 40-years of precedent this year on their pocket rescission decision, they were also forced to reverse a legally faulty opinion when they opposed the reimbursement of federal employee travel costs. In their rush to insert themselves in the impeachment narrative, maybe they’ll have to reverse their opinion again.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gao-says-trump-admin-broke-law-ukraine

    I am also reading that such "lethal aid" does not come under the impoundment act but can't find a better cite on that.
     
    Bluesguy, Jan 16, 2020
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    An administrative violation at best if true and Congress cannot usurp the President's plenary power of foreign aid by merely passing a law. ALL the witnesess in the inquirey testified that such holds on foreign aid money were routine. Let's not forget that is EXACTLY what Biden was doing when he threatened to withhold aid if they didn't stop the investigation into his son's company within 6 hours.
     
    Bluesguy, Jan 16, 2020
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    Biden was threatening to do exactly this to get the Ukraines to stop the investigation into Burisma.
     
    Bluesguy, Jan 16, 2020
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  21. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, it's always an important step when the perpetrators claim innocence...
     
    Egoboy, Jan 16, 2020
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    Claim innocence of what though? In the end, it goes all the way back to what Rep Jordan(R-Ohio said)

    No pressure
    the aid was released
    no investigation ever announced.
     
    AmericanNationalist, Jan 16, 2020
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    Abuse of Power is the "High Crime." The fact that Trump violated the law while doing so is a bonus which destroys the "There isn't even a crime here" talking point.

    And the routine holds on foreign aid still must be accompanied with a notice of the policy justification for the delay to Congress. Trump did not have one.
     
    MrTLegal, Jan 16, 2020
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    He is talking about the OMB claiming that they did not violate the law that GAO alleged they violated.
     
    MrTLegal, Jan 16, 2020
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    You have absolutely zero proof of that claim.
     
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