Trump followers demand their Jack Nicholson moment.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the GAO ruling...............
    "OMB asserts that its actions are not subject to the ICA because they constitute a programmatic delay. OMB Response, at 7, 9. It argues that a “policy development process is a fundamental part of program implementation,” so its impoundment of funds for the sake of a policy process is programmatic. Id., at 7. OMB further argues that because reviews for compliance with statutory conditions and congressional mandates are considered programmatic, so too should be reviews undertaken to ensure compliance with presidential policy prerogatives. Id., at 9.
    OMB’s assertions have no basis in law. We recognize that, even where the President does not transmit a special message pursuant to the procedures established by the ICA, it is possible that a delay in obligation may not constitute a reportable impoundment. See B-329092, Dec. 12, 2017; B-222215, Mar. 28, 1986. However, programmatic delays occur when an agency is taking necessary steps to implement a program, but because of factors external to the program, funds temporarily go unobligated. B-329739, Dec. 19, 2018; B-291241, Oct. 8, 2002; B-241514.5, May 7, 1991. This presumes, of course, that the agency is making reasonable efforts to obligate. B-241514.5, May 7, 1991. Here, there was no external factor causing an unavoidable delay. Rather, OMB on its own volition explicitly barred DOD from obligating amounts.
    Furthermore, at the time OMB issued the first apportionment footnote withholding the USAI funds, DOD had already produced a plan for expending the funds. See DOD Certification, at 4–14. DOD had decided on the items it planned to purchase and had provided this information to Congress on May 23, 2019. Id. Program execution was therefore well underway when OMB issued the apportionment footnotes. As a result, we cannot accept OMB’s assertion that its actions are programmatic.
    The burden to justify a withholding of budget authority rests with the executive branch. Here, OMB has failed to meet this burden. We conclude that OMB violated the ICA when it withheld USAI funds for a policy reason."
     
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    GOP senators dismiss accountability group's report saying Trump administration broke the law

    Republican senators are casting doubt on the recently released non-partisan Government Accountability Office report which said that the Trump administration's withholding of Ukraine assistance was illegal.

    Sen. Richard Shelby, the chairman of the appropriations committee, said the “timing” of the GAO report looked suspicious.

    “Timing looked a little suspect to everybody I think,” Shelby said. “I’ve never known GAO to get involved in partisan politics and stuff like that. It’s probably not good for the GAO.”
    Sen. Ron Johnson told CNN he had a brief discussion about the report with his staff and said it sounds like a legalistic “dispute” between GAO and the Office of Management and Budget.​
    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-live-01-16-2020/index.html

    These hyperpartisan, self-serving Republican jackasses are bound and determined to shred the Constitution to save their party, and they have absolutely no shame about it. Pointing out that this administration has broken a law is now "getting involved in partisan politics and stuff like that" to them.

    Time for the blue wave to become a blue deluge.
     
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    They can conclude anything they want. It's meaningless. Why didn't Schiff include this in the articles of impeachment ?? Plus as Laura Cooper pointed out there will be no delay in the arms delivery.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

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    Wow, that's some really in depth legal analysis. Imagine if he finds any typos. That would be a real killer.
     
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    Yeah but.................all the evidence of Trump's guilt is meaningless to Trumpette's so.............................
     
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    The irony is palpable. Pelosi will be the first House speaker to impeach a sitting President along party lines because his hair is orange. Disgusting.
     
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    Yeah, but there is no crime and only second hand hearsay. That's how the Banana Republic (formerly know as the Democratic) Party operates these days.
     
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    Yes, so you've said. In contradiction to reality.

    "Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law. In fact, Congress was concerned about exactly these types of withholdings when it enacted and later amended the ICA. See H.R. Rep. No. 100-313, at 66–67 (1987); see also S. Rep. No. 93-688, at 75 (1974) (explaining that the objective was to assure that “the practice of reserving funds does not become a vehicle for furthering Administration policies and priorities at the expense of those decided by Congress”)."
     
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    Not in the articles - this opinion is irrelevant.
     
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    What is disgusting is this ongoing denial of Trump's misdeeds with constant personal attacks on the Democrats instead. That is partisan. You are accusing Democrats of doing what Republicans have been doing ever since Obama was elected, when they became deplorable obstructionists and their voting base became birthers.
     
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    Under an agreement with the Ukrainian government and Bill Clinton, Trump had every right to ask Ukraine to look into possible misdeeds by American or Ukrainian citizens in his country. That's what Trump did. Now you can say he did it to get an advantage over Biden and you could be right. But he also could have done it because he felt there was misdeeds being done by American citizens and a Ukrainian gas company. There is no solid proof either way. Trump said he wanted nothing but to have the new President to keep his promise, which was to clean up graft from his country. Because it could be taken either way, there is no solid proof Trump broke the law.

    "Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal"

    Sorry, Joe: Team Obama refused to arm Ukraine at all

    https://nypost.com › 2019/10/09 › sorry-Joe-team-obama-refused-to-arm-u...

    Oct 9, 2019 - Team Obama feared that lethal aid would provoke Moscow. ... The aid in question is lethal military assistance that the Obama-Biden administration refused to give Ukraine. ... “President Barack Obama stuck to his refusal to provide weapons or ... And yet Team Obama did nothing, failing to carry out even .


    What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top ...

    Oct 3, 2019 - At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
     
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    More process crimes. Lying to hide something that isn't illegal shouldn't be illegal. Plenty of other stuff Clinton could've been charged with, but the whole establishment would've had to expose it culpability to expose Clinton.

    Its very similar to Trump. They can't get him for what they themselves are involved with, so they find stuff that isn't a big deal and try to make it a big deal.
     
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    What misdeeds ??? Your claim is that this impeachment is not a manufactured attempt to prevent Trump’s reelection ?? It’s completely backfired. Look for a red wave in 2020 voted for by people who want elected officials who will place their interests above everything else.
     
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    Lying to a grand jury is not a process crime.
     
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    Abusing his office to harm Joe Biden in the coming election, among many others. Surely you're aware of this by now.
     
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    Joe Biden has harmed himself. Wouldn’t you want to know before he is nominated. There is already enough YouTube material out there on the bribery conducted by sleepy Joe.
     
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    Shouldn't be illegal? That's a new one.

    "In the summer of 2019, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) withheld from obligation funds appropriated to the Department of Defense (DOD) for security assistance to Ukraine. In order to withhold the funds, OMB issued a series of nine apportionment schedules with footnotes that made all unobligated balances unavailable for obligation.
    Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law. OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA). The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA."
     
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    So what ??? This opinion is meaningless.
     
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    You don’t care to find out if there was any corruption associated with Unqualified Hunter Biden making $600,000 per year sitting on the board of a corrupt company operating in the most corrupt company in Europe while his father was Vice President of the United States ???
     
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    It's not up to the President to investigate corruption. He has a pet AG for that. But more importantly, withholding aid authorized by Congress in order to pressure a foreign leader into announcing an investigation is not a proper or legal way to go about it. Trump's motives and methods are plain, and they are plainly wrong and impeachable.
     
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    Of course it is. The President runs the Executive Branch which includes the State and Justice Departments. And he did not do what you claim. Where is the proof that he did so ??? What witnesses confirmed your accusation ??? None.
     
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    So you believe Clinton's lie about getting BJs was criminal?

    Thats what I was talking about.
     
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    It essentially is when you're lying about something that doesnt matter.
     
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