Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

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  1. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

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    Man I agree, just think Clinton would've been facing the special counsel jail time wrath like Flynn and Papadopoulos, among others. for lying to investigators.
     
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    Once again, you have zero evidence to support Biden threatened them "if they didn't stop the investigation into his son's company."

    And the legal violation - according to the GAO report that you are ENCOURAGED TO READ - is because Trump did not notify Congress of a policy justification for the delay.
     
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    Uh...Clinton did submit to a deposition?
     
  4. hawgsalot

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    Who cares he could've been prosecuted so either you don't understand your own profession or it's extremely ignorant to keep bringing it up considering your profession.
     
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    Your fact is your opinion which makes it anything but a fact. Another surprising statement from someone who practices law.
     
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    Wow thank you for being so transparent. So its only against the law if the polls like it.

    So very telling.
     
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    Dang you really don't know impeachment history, that says enough. Go look up the Star report, it lays out the felonies Clinton committed and plead down days before he left office to avoid prosecution
     
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    Agree. Just pointing out the Republican House apparently didn't feel Obama did anything wrong or they would have brought it up then.
     
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    1. What exactly do you feel Obama did to hurt us?
    2. There are many examples of how Trump has hurt us. I'll cite only a few. *Trump has transformed the Dept of Justice (DOJ) from a historically politically neutral department dedicated to serving the law, into a dept focused on using the law--twisting that law--to serve the personal needs of the President. The current Attorney General, Wm Barr, has aided Trump in that transformation. This change represents a real threat to judicial fairness for anyone except the President of the U.S., including you & me. **Trump has openly invited foreign powers to become involved in our domestic election process--something explicitly forbidden by the Constitution. One day after Trump invited the Russians to hack Hillary's emails, they did so, & published some of their findings thru Wikileaks on the internet, which had a huge impact on the outcome of the 2016 election. In 2019, Trump publicly invited both China & Ukraine to open investigations against his anticipated political opponent in 2020, Joe Biden. The fact that Trump did this AFTER the Mueller investigation into collusion with Russia the two years prior, is a testament to Trump's total disregard for the law, & his conviction that as President, he can do whatever he wants. ***All Presidents are expressively forbidden to use the powers of their office for self enrichment. Yet, Trump has a hotel in Washington DC, located near the White House, which he constantly uses to house foreign officials in during their visit. He often schedules official meetings with them in that hotel, along with another in Florida. Late in 2019, it was revealed Trump had altered military flight schedules for jets in W Europe, so they would visit his properties located there, for refueling & for overnight housing for the flight personnel. All these have amounted to considerable income for Trump personally, & all have involved using his powers of his office to make them happen. ****Trump appears to lack an ability to discern fact from fiction, & he constantly uses lying to get what he wants. He has been recorded on video for spreading over 15,000 individual lies since taking office. He has become the most distrusted President in U.S. history, by all parties. No one can depend on him or his word, & he is totally self-serving with those lies.Unfortunately for the rest of us, Trump is the leading representative of the U.S. globally, & his lying affects trust involving foreign countries & their leaders. Trump has offended our allies along with our enemies. Trump has single-handedly broken every agreement made by the U.S. under the past several Presidents, & often without any logical or sensible reason. Trump has made the word of the U.S. a laughing stock--something not to be trusted or depended on. That will be hard to fix after Trump is history.
    There are many other examples of how Trump has & continues hurting the U.S., but these examples will serve for now.
    3. Your statement here is both unfair & inaccurate. I am a Democrat. I have never liked Trump--true--but I accepted his legitimacy after the election just as I had with GW Bush before. All the local Democrats around me did the same. I recall one Congresswoman who went on TV repeatedly calling for the impeachment of Trump, from the beginning, but she was a lone voice in the wilderness. The vast majority of Democrats had no desire to undergo another impeachment process--including me. Pelosi agreed. She was adamantly opposed to impeachment until mid-2019, AFTER the Ukraine fiasco surfaced. Republican propaganda accusing Democrats of being focused on impeachment since the 2016 election are simply false. Today, after 3 years of consistent investigations, & tons of incriminating evidence, I am still uncomfortable with impeachment, but support it because I recognize the destructive impact Trump is having on our entire political system. And his impact is NOT making America Great Again. It's just the opposite.
     
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    A Notice OR a policy justification... he was 0-2...

    It would have been one thing if there was a valid reason to hold up the aid and they "forgot" to notify Congress, or didn't do so in a timely manner.

    It would have been another thing if he had notified Congress and his justification failed to meet the standards of the law.

    Trump just said "**** it ... No Soup for You"
     
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    Prove he is.

    Gutter tactics like this will be called out for what they are.

    And we both know you can't do it.
     
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    Can you offer examples?
     
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    While I'm almost positive Franklin Pierce would have faced jail time for lying about his attempts to buy Cuba....
     
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    You are clearly obsessed with [insert any Republican/Conservative/Christian].
     
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    No. Are you a racist?
     
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    They did.

    Just because you didn't do your homework doesn't mean it didn't happen

     
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    He made the charge now its time for him to back it up with facts.
     
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    It is true that foreign aid can be manipulated as a tool to help gain benefits for our country's foreign policy, but Trump didn't use it for that purpose. Trump used it for personal gain in an upcoming election, which is forbidden by law. That distinction is important. Democrats don't like Trump, but most of them would never consent to impeachment for political reasons alone. Pelosi certainly wouldn't. She strongly opposed impeachment until solid, concrete evidence surfaced for some illegality. Without the strong evidence supporting wrongdoing by Trump, few Democrats would support impeachment today. Democrats are concerned by Trump's illegal behaviors & the impacts they are having on the country. This is NOT just political, no matter what the Republican propagandists are telling you.
     
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    I'd love to answer, but have been informed that the subject is taboo on the forum.
     
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    OK, but are you arguing that two wrongs make a right? And, what do you plan to do about it? Impeach Obama retroactively? The maximum penalty for conviction upon impeachment is removal from office and the possible prohibition against holding public office in the future. Obama is not in office.
     
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    Zzzzz...huh....oh.....what....they got the aid anyway, just a few weeks delay...oh......Zzzzzzzzzzz
     
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    Only AFTER the Whistle Blower complained, thus opening up the House Intelligence Committee investigation, leading to the Impeachment Inquiry. If a bank robber tries to rob a bank, but a witness sounds the alarm, leading the robber to run away before the teller has a chance to give him the money, it's an "attempted robbery," a crime.
     
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    Trump didn't commit any crimes.
     
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    According to the GAO he did. The Impoundment Control Act.
     
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    The GAO also said Obama broke the law.

    Weeeeee! This is fun!
     
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