The unlikely marriage between western liberals and Islam

Many are perplexed as to how supposedly enlightened, western liberals are so welcoming and accepting of Islam and its adherents. After all, western liberals are largely atheist and are rather notorious for being especially critical and intolerant of Christianity and its Christians. So why are liberals so accepting and loving when it comes to Islam and its followers?

Here is my belief.

It is my belief that Satan, like God, exists and is active and influential in our world. Satan has deceived non-believers into believing that neither he, nor God, exists. Furthermore, to counteract the teachings of Jesus, otherwise known as "Christianity", Satan inspired the creation of a counterfeit religion known as Islam with which he has used to deceive well over a billion human souls.

Satan's ultimate goal is to lead away as many people from the truth as possible. Satan wants to destroy Christ's church here on Earth and his followers. Satan also wishes to destroy the Jewish people and their homeland, Israel.

Satan has deceived western liberals, through the trojan horse of "inclusion" and "tolerance" to invite countless numbers of Muslims into their societies. Satan has deceived and influenced western liberals to oppose and persecute Israel at every opportunity. Satan has also influenced many Muslims to hate Israel and its Jews.

Throughout history, no segment of humanity has been as persecuted as the Jewish people. Take the United Nations, I believe they condemn Israel more than all other nations combined. Iran has threatened countless times to destroy Israel and the U.N. remains mute, as do western liberals.

Once you accept that Satan is real and that he is active in this world, then the unlikely marriage between western liberals and Islam finally begins to make sense.

Now, if you don't believe in Satan, nor in God, then you must apparently believe that the universe caused itself to come into existence, which I suppose is another thread.

 

Many are more perplexed as to how the supposedly conservative, Western right are so quick to defend and call for the implementation of liberal ideas in Muslim communities and societies.

 

Sounds like a bucket of Israeli propaganda.

 

You have been misled by Satan to write what you have written here.

 

You don't need a spiritual reason.

1. Muslims don't like Western Civilization, and Western Leftists don't like Western Civilization. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

2. Since leftists don't believe in religion, they can't imagine that anyone (other than American evangelicals) actually believe it either. So in their view, Muslims are just part of the diverse anti-western coalition who will shed their reactionary views and embrace the real class divide, that of race, and accept their position as "People of Color" and be good ground troops against the West.

 

It is simple and has nothing to do with the Jews nor satan per the op.

The Left has a problem with western civ and its values as well as the white people that created it and sustained it . They dont like religion but make an exception with islam because it isnt western and Muslims have darker skin
This puts the left in an untenable place because as with many of their beliefs there is an internal incoherence.

They must embrace multiculturalism even if it costs them their heads! If not for laws that protects them from their own idiocy Darwin's laws would get rid of their insane ideology .

 

To be honest, was not expecting the reference to Satan in one of these "Liberals hate America because X" posts. As for the OP? It's for the same reason that I want evangelicals to be able to preach as well. Freedom of religion means freedom to practice religion as one sees fit. That's all liberals are going to say on the issue.

 

That doesn't even make it as comedy.

Liberals like wesern civilization every bit as much as Republicans do.

Let's remember that America is a LIBERAL experiment.

Islam, Christianity, Judaism, all the thousands of variations on those, and the numerous other religions all exist. We're not going to wipe them out. The ONLY choice we have is to get along. And, the blatant lies about these various religions and about atheism are purely directed at inspiring failure..

Besides, Liberalism is closer to the message of Jesus than are Republicans. Read Matthew 25:31 to end. Jesus doesnt just call for the "golden rule". Treatment of others is not just required to be as good as one might expect for oneself. What treaatment you might expect or see as justified is not the issue.

Christians are called to search out those in hospitals, in prisons, and in every other place and to render the aid that those people need. Christians are called to forgive and accept. This is a direction given on pain of damnation - not just advice on how to be nice.

That is a liberal idea.

And, there are more than a million Muslims in the US, working to be successful Americans as well as toward making America successful. Hating them is antiAmerican, antiChristian and just plain NOT acceptable.

 

As is becoming more and more common these days, you respond in a way that has little to do with my post. I wasn't arguing the pro-Jesus or pro-Bible side, so you quoting Bible verses means nothing to me and has nothing to do with anything I wrote. I suggest you craft it into a sermon and deliver it this Sunday.

 

You claimed "leftists" don't care about religion - implying that maybe Republicans do.

I answered that.

And, all you can do is pretend you never said that!!

 

What I actually said is that leftists don't believe in religion. They think it's simply a primitive belief system that has no bearing in the modern world and really don't believe that people actually believe the tenets and doctrines of their faith. I never implied that Republicans care about religion, but I do think they think that Muslims believe in their religion.

 

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And, I'm saying that the politics of "Liberals" is closer to what Jesus called for in terms of our relationship to other humans on Earth.

It dosn't matter who "cares" about religion if they aren't walking the walk.

 

Well if that's your argument, that liberals are closer to Jesus, that has zero to do with anything that I'm talking about. I just don't see how that fits into anything I've said or anything in this thread, but I hope you have a blessed day!

 

Authoritarians are authoritarians first. islam has a compulsory nature, so do all of the variants of Marxism, including "western liberalism".

"Western liberalism" and Islam's common enemy is liberty (the individual's authority over and responsibility for them self.)

They tolerate each other for the same reasons that people tolerate chemotherapy even though it's, in and of itself, toxic.
The cancer, from both of their perspectives is the Judeo-Christian world view.

 

I responded to YOUR claim concerning "Liberals".

Now, you want to pretend you didn't make a derogatory remark concerning religion.

Read you posts.

 

Which claim? I've made several, but none of them have to do with Jesus, or walking in his footsteps, or whatever you are rebutting with.

Again, I'm don't recall making a derogatory remark about religion in this thread. You'll have to be specific, and I'm curious if you can wrap this up into a train of thought that has anything to do with the topic.

 

You even commented on your claims concernig "Liberals" and religion.

I pointed out that your comments on "Liberals" and religion are garbage.

Try to at least read your own posts.

And, stop pretending that you can identify religious beliefs based on political opinion.

 

@Lil Mike
I think Lil Mike is right. It's more a conception like "the ennemy of my ennemy is my friend".

Furthermore, leftists have a very high tendancy to have thoughts disconnected to the reality. That contradiction exist aswell in the mind of some "muslims", you will some people drink alcohol, do fornication and act offended if a dude mistalk of Islam.

The last reason is cowardice. There was recently a leftist "humorist" that sang "Jesus is a ******" on the french national radio. A few days after, the radio apologized... To gay people for using the word "******".
In France, the catholic church is absolutly anectodical. They have no power, much less than the LGBT lobby at least.
Why did this humorist insulted christian ? Because he know that nothing would happen. He know that if he do the same thing with islam, he would know the same fate than Charlie Hebdo. If you insult homosexuals in a public way, you risk violences because of the antifa and judicial proceedings.
Attacking christianity is the most dangerless action and they give themselves the impression to be "rebels", when they're only pathetic bourgeois.

For leftists in France, attacking christianity isn't only attacking a civilization they want to destroy to create their new world but it's only attacking a lion that was once formidable and terrifying, but today it's toothless and without any danger. They think themselves still in the 20's, and think they're doing something transgressive, yet they became the new conformism.

 

I don't know why you couldn't have just quoted the offending passages instead of this guessing game. But OK, I'm going to guess..."Since leftists don't believe in religion, they can't imagine that anyone (other than American evangelicals) actually believe it either."

Is this what offended you?

 

There is rarely a situation so simplistic as to be answerabl by "an enemy of my enemy". In thre real world there are more dimensions than that. And, one must be careful about writing off a constituency as being an "enemy". The US has major trade with China, though we also have major disagreements. Russia worked with us in signing the settlement with Iran that allowed for nuclear arms inspectins, even as Russia actively works to subvert our democracy and makes war againt allies. Etc.

As for the rest, suggesting the the antics of a comedian is a component of a serious argument is serously weak. Comedians are PAID to be outrageous.

There are plenty of problems in France that are worth fixing. Suggesting that those who want change are attempting to destroy civilization is a cheap and easy attempt at ignoring the actual problems that exist.

You need to rethink your whole post.

 

The idea that "leftists" aren't religions is just plain BS, obviously.

The number of atheists in the US is too small to be a powerful political force even if they all were in total agreement on some issue - which they very clearly are not.

Beyond that, I'd point out once again that Democratic ideas are closer to what Jesus calls for than are Republican ideas.

Your religious arguments are insulting and profoundly uninformed at best.

 

Hmmmm....

"Yet even as White Christians shrink in their overall numbers, they still account for nearly seven-in-10 Americans who identify with, or lean toward, the Republican Party, the Pew study found. White Christians, in fact, represent as large a share of the Republican coalition today as they did of American society overall in 1984, when Ronald Reagan won reelection. A clear majority of all White Christians across the United States now identify as Republican, Pew found.

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  In sharp contrast, the Pew data show, the Democratic coalition has evolved into a three-legged stool that divides almost evenly between White Christians, non-White Christians, and those from all races who identify either with a non-Christian faith or, increasingly, with no religious tradition at all. Most Americans who don’t identify with any religious faith—a rapidly growing group—now align with Democrats."

OK not really the thread topic, this was more an explanation as to my opinion on the thread topic.

 

This is well known and does NOT support what you said.

 

Using partisan stereotypical labels of zero substance make for a facile argument but not a compelling one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left