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  1. ronv

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    Maybe your parents were afraid of that. Mine helped me prepare for and participate in automation.
    I can't imagine an America that didn't automate while the rest of the world did.
    What's your plan for the next wave of automation? A cave?
     
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    Not all the right ignores this. I recycle, carpool whenever I can and use reusable shopping bags. Tell me, how good do you think millions of over consuming illegals in a borderless nation be for our environment? How many illegals are gonna buy hybrid cars? The problem with lefties is they never look at the big picture. As a right wingers I am fairly disgusted with their views on evvironmental issues but all the other policies of the left are so crappy I have no choice but to stand with the right.
    To all my righty buddies out there, climate change is real! I'm in north jersey and this is the warmest winter I've every had. Be more open please
     
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    Yes and he screwed up by giving us the ability to conduct science along with the desire for comfort and higher standards of living.

    Too bad we are no longer stone age people knapping flint and chert for tools. Civilization is nothing more than a cancer that destroys its host.

    But fear not! Life has shown itself to be resilient and will evolve and come back
    The asteroid that made extinct many life forms gave mammals the niche it needed to eventually evolve into homo sapiens sapiens.

    You better pray hard for a new energy source that can replace fossil fuels! For nothing can replace the growing need for fossil fuels as nations develop and start consuming.

    We need the energy source that craft like the tic tac witnessed by the navy . Or something like zero point energy. For short of that you wont get your wishes.

    I am concerned about our eco system as much as you are but jousting with windmills is useless and could lead to heart attacks and strokes. Or perhaps heat strokes one day .
     
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    You don't have to give up those things to help the planet, but I would get a better job if you want to do those things.
     
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    huh? liberals, it's the right that removes regulations
     
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    no it's liberals who moved in built homes and drove cars and ate "iconic northwest salmon" every chance they got. Then they have the audacity to say we needs laws to protect salmon which do nothing but destroy jobs in industries they hate. then they build their streamside dream homes and destroy habitat.
     
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    oh, so you want to ban people from moving into your town, got it

    what laws did liberals in your Republican state pass

    better yet, which regulations did republican block, as corps prob responsible for your water issue, not people
     
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    Possibly but there is also overlap between politics and religion.
     
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    That is possible although we already have the technology to support ten times the amount of people we have. The question is if we will be wise enough to organize a system to carry that out.

    In fact we are quickly getting to the point where we won't even need natural resources anymore. For example, President Bush suggested the idea of enormous fish farms in the ocean where we could farm our own harvests instead of taking from the natural sources in the ocean.

    His idea was quickly shot down but it's that kind of forward thinking that we would need to sustain even larger numbers of people.

    Housing?

    We haven't even begun to touch the space on this planet. We could build islands in the sea, we could live under the sea, we could build cities that go straight up or we could live underground.

    The only question is the motivation we have to do that.
     
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    I am concerned that this kind of belief will lead you and others to mistreat the Earth because 1. You feel that our actions can't make a difference in the climate since "God is in control" (demonstrably false, since we know based on measurements that we are having an effect, and indeed that all of life's activities on Earth have an effect one way or another in regulating global climate), and 2. You don't even worry about the longevity of the Earth, because of the former and because you believe that there is an eternal paradise awaiting you when you die anyway, making Earth an unimportant little stop-over on the way there. I worry that your religion-based denial, if allowed to be carried over into public policy, will significantly harm if not destroy our home in the cosmos in the long term. We need realists in charge, not ideologues who have faith in sky fairies and therefore don't really care what happens to the Earth.
     
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    Not at all.

    Just because I believe that doesn't mean I want to live in a filthy world you know. Pollution is a real problem and should be addressed but tying it into climate change that will destroy the world is a bit ridiculous.

    Do you really think that God has some grand plan on how to use the oceans then says, "well crap, those humans heated it up 2 degrees so My plan is shot now".

    That's just silly.

    That being said, I won't throw straws in the ocean because I do like to swim in there and like sea life.
     
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    Nothing on earth indicates any "grand plan" by a deity. What we see is the oceans getting warmer with higher concentrations of CO2, and ocean life suffering and polar ice melting as a consequence.
     
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    I haven't been arguing this from a religious point of view, I was asked about it.

    Yes we do see those things happening. We've seen them in the past and will again in the future.

    We will see the glaciers come rolling down again also.....what's your point?
     
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    At this rate, no, we won't see any more glaciers come rolling down again. That's the point.
     
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    If we can get the message out many will but while there are people constantly sending the message through social media that “Sod you and your suggestion to change MY life” then no that message will fail.

    This goes beyond “right” and “left”

    Do you realise that 50% of ocean fish you eat will be contaminated by “micro plastic”
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/...a-microplastic-invasion-may-be-taking-a-toll/
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-planet-health-pollution-waste-microplastics/

    This may have a long term impact on your heath but the revolving door of environmental denialists has us caught unable to move forward
     
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    No, “we” haven’t seen those things

    Not on the history of man has this happened and the last times it happened on the planet there were mass extinctions
     
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    What in the actual ****?
     
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    So you want to clean up pollution but do not see that burning millions of barrels of oil PER DAY might cause a problem
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    I know seemingly a lot of right wingers have swallowed the idea that “the climate is changing because it always has” and morphed that into “let’s do nothing until it changes back’ not realising that will not be in thier lifetime and if and only if we reduce our ci2 emissions
     
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    and how much will want to give up - farmed fish, I prefer wild fish

    course we keep dumping chemicals and trash in the seas, may not have fish much longer
     
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    You are welcome to move to Antarctica if you like the cold so much.
     
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    Like you said, it's happened before man was here and now you are claiming only man can be responsible for it when you know full well the earth can do it by itself.

    Now to claim that the earth is playing no part is just foolishness.
     
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    Sustaining the planet and what you prefer are two very different things.
     
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    In this case yes

    What else is causing the change?

    Climate, like your underwear, does not change itself
     
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    Yes they are

    Are you suggesting we do NOT work to sustain the planet?n
     

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