Australia arrests 183 for setting bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change

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    557 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. I’m actively involved in all three. :)
     
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    No, but the word 'warm' is anathema to anyone who lives in a hot climate. You cannot even begin to imagine how much we crave cold.
     
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    I don't think we have a hope in hell, anyway, but a reduced impact on global warming gives us more time. What can save us? Nuclear power.
     
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    It might not "kill it" in the short-run, but it would put a damper on capital investment.
     
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    How hot? Steamy hot? The worst. Dry heat? Has to be less than 110F.

    You don't want to live near a place under 1m of ice.
     
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    Over 110. Incidentally, any experience of 120? I urge you to try it, then review your position that 'warm is good'.

    There's a point above which we just can't function safely. I would put that at about 40 celcius (just over 100). Anything above that, and going outdoors - even for a few minutes - could literally kill you, no matter how you're dressed. Nothing gets done, and people feel horribly lethargic and feeble. We're trapped indoors from dawn til dusk with shades drawn.

    It absolutely doesn't compare with the equivalent extreme in cold (let's say, minus 5 celcius). We can still go outside in that level of cold, because we can dress for it. We can still take the car out. We can still be productive, and work, and do vigorous activity etc. We can still enjoy the sun on our faces, and enjoy the great outdoors.
     
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    Palm Springs several times and Death Valley. Lots of times at 110F. There's just something about the extra ten degrees that gets me. (I'm not sure it really was that hot, but it was sure as hell worse than 110F.)
    I can take dry heat, but I agree about 40C if you add humidity.
    I'd put the equivalent extreme cold at -30C.
     
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    Really? Outside of an environment where there are reactive chemicals spontaneous combustion is no more legitimate than a toad being able to manipulate matches.
     
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    Absolutely! I'd happily even pay extra income tax to fund the necessary R&D necessary to bring HYDROGEN FUSION online everywhere in the world as soon as possible. It's a great tragedy that we don't already have fusion reactors producing energy right now -- we've had functioning experimental TOKAMAK reactors in academic environments since at least the mid-1970's!

    I'll be happy on the day that we use oil as a LUBRICANT, and nothing else....
     
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    In places which reach 100+, you don't get humidity. They're mutually exclusive. Also, 33c and 90% humidity is horrendous but not deadly. 45c and 10% humidity is horrendous AND deadly.

    Even -30c is survivable outdoors. Plenty of Arctic peoples live with those temps as a matter of course.
     
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    We would be pursuing nuclear power if we were serious about solving the “problem”. It’s fast, tested, technologically mature, and could be made economical.

    Perhaps you are right and warming will eventually lead to depopulation. Nobody yet has been able to explain to me why that is something to fear or to try and stop based on our beliefs on how we came to this point in evolution.
     
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    Sorry, this just isn't true. Places like the Persian Gulf & parts of India experience high temperatures and humidity, so they are not mutually exclusive. Once you hit high 30sC and 50%+ humidity it becomes dangerous for people.
     
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    India gets the humidity at the tail end of the dry season, right before the monsoon hits. Prior to that small window, it's actually quite dry. Hence the name .. DRY season.
     
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    There are places in India & the Gulf that get 100F + temps and high humidity. Not 90%, but high. This is just a fact, so your personal beliefs are of no consequence.

    There are likely other places with high temps & high humidity too, but I just happen to know about those particular ones.
     
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    Resources such as this one below which was created 5 minutes ago, so no serious research has been done obviously. KEYWORD = "MAY!"

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/how-climate-change-may-make-australia-wildfires-more-common

    "Here’s how climate change MAY make Australia’s wildfires more common."
     
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    Okay, well then answer my question which you ignored in your last reply. You said, "I think an argument can be made they're still spending more time on health care." My question is, how exactly would you make that argument?
     
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    So not specific to AGW.
     
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    I'm not talking about "Islamic terrorist arson" - I'm saying that if the left blamed the right for an attack with the same amount of 'evidence', would you not be speaking out about that?
     
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    Where you getting "200 fires a year" from? The article refers to 4,595 fires per week.
     
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    Better yet

    Use solar to produce energy to split hydrogen from oxygen in water

    https://www.solarpaces.org/worlds-largest-solar-reactor-will-split-h2o-hydrogen/
     
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    But BLOODY expensive!

    When you ask the question “why don’t they” the answer is usually “money”
     
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    The IPCC is against nuclear power and while expense is one of the factors against it, not I think the main one. Along with expense they tend to take a long time - ten years or more to set up so given we are needing things yesterday and renewables generally take 2-4 to get set up, not the best choice. Two other reasons are important. With the type of weather we are expecting the chances are that there will be many accidents - even now there apparently are a lot but when experiencing the weather we will be having coupled with the tendency to build them them on cliffs makes them not a good alternative despite them of course being better than fossil fuel. The last reason they believe they are a poor choice is the quickness with which it is possible to change from nuclear power to nuclear bombs - I think Iran in the JCOPA agreed to give up its domestic production of nuclear power and the reason she was asked to was because of the speed with which this can be turned to be used for nuclear bombs. This is for the kind of nuclear station we have traditionally had. I know there are now these mini nuclear energy centres being promoted and am not sure if they are any good or acceptable.
     
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    I'm rounding up the arson figures.
     
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    For this season?
     

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