Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

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  1. MolonLabe2009

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    The GAO watchdog group says Obama broke the law.
     
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    I thought the legislative branch covered the house & senate. I had never heard the senate was part of congress. Really don’t make much sense, but either does the fact the constitution does not have rules for impeachment.

    I will let it play out, but you will be disappointed.
    Your constitution is going to bite you in the arse.
     
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    Congress is our name for the federal legislative branch...pass the word on.
     
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    I will make a note of it.
     
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    No problem.
     
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    Yes, it proves once again that government agency can say and do anything it wants that is not in sync with the Constitution.
    In reality, the exact opposite is true. It is the president and only the president who determines which countries are worthy of US funds.

    Just because Congress appropriates funds doesn't mean that the money has to be transmitted on any specific day within a fiscal window, or even transmitted at all. If not transmitted, the president simply informs Congress.
    Trump complied with this process.
    And ultimately, the Ukraine received the funds so there was no alterations of a designated allocation within the appropriate fiscal time frame..

    More meaningless dribble from the Bureaucracy.
     
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  8. Steve N

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    So when Biden threatened to hold up a billion dollars he broke the law. Sweet.
     
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    No...you're wrong. Read the Impoundment Control Act and the GAO decision. The law requires the President to notify Congress of his intent to withhold the appropriated funding and the reason for the withholding, along with other reporting requirements. Congress then has 45 days to reply. If they agree, the withholding is approved. If they do not agree or do not respond at all, the funding must go through. The fiscal year limit applies to all appropriations designed to be spend in that fiscal year. If not spent, then the appropriation has to be renewed by new legislation. Presumably, the President hoped to get the public announcements on the investigations prior to the fiscal year ending, to avoid having to explain the withholding by the fiscal year deadline, but that doesn't mean he had until the end of the fiscal year to spend it. He broke the Impoundment Control Act, by not notifying Congress prior to the withholding, of his intent and reasons.
     
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    I was agreeing that they weren’t trying to remove Trump, and pointing out they are rabid hacks prepared to protect a corrupt president.
     
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    Trump did not inform Congress nor did he explain the policy justification for the delay.

    That is explicitly the reasoning given by the GAO for their conclusion. Just read it yourself before espousing your trumpism.
     
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    Find the GAO conclusion to that effect and then we can talk. Run along.
     
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    No it was the CBO's they said he violated the law 7 times, Bush 5 times and Clinton 4 times. It's a joke with no meaning can you imagine 7 impeachment trials for Obama or 5 for Bush. dumb dumb dumb but chase that tail dems.
     
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    Trump was not impeached because he violated the law here. He was impeached because he abused the power of his office and obstructed congress. The fact that he also broke the law while abusing the power of his office is a bonus.
     
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    Lol... sure buddy.. threats are holds now.. and unicorns are racing at the Preakness this year..
     
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    Many times.
     
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    Well well you finally admitted it. Every President gets accused of abuse of office by the other side but hey that abuse of congress because he didn't allow a witness and the dems didn't even go to court to see if he had to provide the witness? LOL DESPERATION and you call yourself a lawyer!
     
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    I call myself a lawyer because I am a lawyer.

    Impeachment does not require a legal violation. It is a political process. Be a big boy and grow the **** up.
     
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    All those articles are only opinion, if there were any meat to their arguments, they would have surfaced. The Republican Congress went out of its way to bring up accusations from some questionable sources.
     
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    It also showed that CLINTON, BUSH, and OBAMA also BROKE THE LAW.

    Several administrations have been slapped by the GAO, including those of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. In general, those administrations released funding after being cited, making lawsuits unnecessary. Most recently, in December 2018, the GAO said the Department of Homeland Security illegally withheld $95 million appropriated for the Coast Guard to support national security efforts. The money eventually was released.

    The GAO also found in 2014 that the Obama administration broke the law by exchanging five Taliban commanders for a captured U.S. soldier without giving Congress 30 days’ notice.
     
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    Yes, they did.

    But as I have said repeatedly. Trump is not being impeached because he broke the law. He is being impeached because he abused the power of his office and because he obstructed congress. The fact that he also broke the law while he abused the power of his office is a bonus.
     
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    …. and the silly BS you guys come up with is one reason that Americans have little to no respect for your profession.
     
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    There's a watch dog group that's trying to finish it's investigation into Biden and it's forced to sue the Government to get the documents needed to finish the investigation.

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    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Judicial+Watch+Biden&t=h_&ia=web
     
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    Future Presidents are now fair game for impeachment and removal on any whim that a opposite party so wishes. Congratulations on your party taking America down the sink hole. You guys should be so proud. How does it feel to be part of a political party that narrowness of the mind has allowed you guys to look through a keyhole with both eyeballs?
     
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    The D's had to jump into the Trump sink hole to pull his fat ass out of what he's created.

    I'm damn proud to be an American, having my government finally standing up to the current occupant of the White House...

    Which is why they were voted in during 2018 to do.

    And as @MrTLegal says, I'll take your nonexistent risk to solve this existent problem...
     
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