This is where I thought Trump devotees would go from the beginning.

Hannity previews Trump’s final defense: So what if he’s guilty?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...s-trumps-final-defense-so-what-if-hes-guilty/

*It has long been obvious that Republicans would ultimately converge on this final defense of President Trump: Even if he did everything he has been accused of doing, and perhaps a lot more that we don’t know about, it’s absolutely fine!

We now have a particularly ugly preview of what this defense may look like, as Trump’s Senate trial gets underway. On Sean Hannity’s Thursday night show, former Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus said:

"Sometimes the best defense is the ‘so what’ defense. If everything the Democrats said is true, it’s still not impeachable. If everything Lev Parnas said is true, it’s still not impeachable. That’s what this is about."*
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The fear by Senate Repubs this "defense" addresses is........what if the info from the House inquiry and new revelations coming out every day become so irrefutable even willfully ignorant Repubs can't deny it any longer?

Once the WB complaint came out, along with the transcript which followed, I thought the "so what" defense would be where Repubs gravitated. Cuz........you know..........obviously guilty. But Don keeps insisting the call was "perfect" so the minions do likewise. Why? Dear Leader.

What if most of Parnas' stuff gets authenticated? It already fits seamlessly with all the facts and testimony we know of. What if Bolton testifies? Or Mulvaney, or Pompeo, or Duffy? Repubs have to have an out cuz no matter how persuasive the facts are they still won't dare to cross Don since that means alienating The Following.........and perhaps losing their congressional seat..........which is what their vote on impeachment is really all about.

The "I don't think this rises to the level of an impeachable event" is completely disingenuous but defensible because it relies on an opinion. The facts...........Repubs want to stay as far away from those as possible.

 

There are a large number of methods to argue against the notion of overturning the will of the voters, and there has always been different schools of thought as to how best to refute the attempt to remove Trump. One of those methods is to correctly point out that even if all of your allegations were true, it STILL would not be grounds for removal from office.

Just because someone mentioned that particular option means absolutely nothing. You are bogusly pretending that it means that he is in the know and is acknowledging that he has been proven guilty of all accusations. All you do is consistently cherry pick the interpretation that suits your preconceived notions, while wholly dismissing other entirely plausible options.

 

Be sure and save all this crap, and look up some recipes for eat-your-words pie.

 

We have all seem the transcript

He never said "investigate the biden or no aid"

Now the fact that both items were even in the same conversation doesn't look great for Trump but it also isn't PROOF

people's INTERPRETATION of a conversation is not enough to convict some one in our legal system

Pelosi knows they got nothing which is why she procrastinated delivering the articles

Brace yourself for some major disappointment!

 

I doubt that any serious observer believes the Senate will vote to remove Trump. Whether witnesses will be allowed to testify is still unknown. What is not unknown is that recent polling indicates over 70% of Americans favor witness testimony and 51% favor removal of Trump from office.

Given this backdrop, who is really on trail here? I would argue that Republicans, especially rabid Trump supporters, are. Already on shaky ground (Mitch McConnell's approval is 37% in state polling) Republicans continue to ignore voters and cave to Trump, horrified he might tweet about them. In short, they have focused on placating Trumps base of 40% while ignoring voters sure to show up in November.

Ignoring the will of the people that voted in 2016 is a valid concern since the majority voted against Trump by three million votes. The Trump fans final defense of "who cares" about the Senate trial will be answered in November. Still, as the train rapidly approaches from the fog, a Trump tweet remains their larger concern.

 

It would be interesting to know the motivations of people who want Trump removed. Obviously-

Some hate the man.
Some want an ideologically different America than Trump advocates.
And some.... are intimidated by the left's continuous disruption, and think giving in and removing Trump would bring some kind of peace- As if surrendering to intimidation ever worked.

Distill that down to people with relative reasons, and the number shrinks dramatically.
Everybody wants all of them to be nice.... But nice guys never finish first in the world of nations and politics.

 

Then again there are a few of us politically biased, misguided souls that actually care about the Constitution, the law, and the Republic. Corruption and malfeasance in the White House are another a few little things upon which we obsess.

 

The problem is one I have talked about a number of times. The democrats decided to impeach Trump shortly after they found out that he defeated Hilary. They have accused him of just about everything and most of them turned out to be a big bust. There is no reason to think this one will be any different. However, if it is, and he is removed, I like Pence and I like whoever he picks as VP and I like whoever that VP picks as his VP, if Pence is removed.

I don't like Trump, but I do like many of the things he has done. I have not seen much out of the democrats worth praising and their impeachment was a travesty and now they want to fix it in the senate. I think the democrats and the nation would have been better off letting the voters decide at this late date in spite of one of your democrats saying he did not think he voters were smart enough.

 

I would argue that varies hugely by state and that polling regarding Trump is dangerous. It happens that impeachment is significantly under water in swing states and has already drowned in Red States. If the election were held today you Trump win an even larger electoral victory than he did last time against while again losing the popular vote entirely because of Fraudufornia.

 

As I like to remind Trumpette's occasionally, if the will of the voters had been realized Trump wouldn't be prez.
While removal of Trump is the result of conviction in the impeachment proceeding the overriding goal is to respect the rule of law.
An impartial examination of the facts in evidence, the months long campaign to get Ukraine to announce a Biden investigation, the hold on military aid to achieve that end (directed by Don), the firing of Yovanovitch as a payoff to corrupt Ukraine government officials to facilitate the investigation scheme, the use of back channel operatives like Giuliani and Parnas to get around career State Dept. officials, the transcript, the cover-up of the transcript, the obstruction of the congressional inquiry............the fact pattern is undeniable.......except to Trumpette's.
Claiming to hold the opinion all of the above is not grounds for removal is the last line of defense since the factual case for his guilt is indisputable.

 

Polling also showed Hillary by a landslide. Your point is?

 

Its funny, you quoted my post and responded, but then proceeded to NOT respond to what I actually said. Did you find yourself unable to refute my point? Then why did you bother quoting me?

Let me remind you......There are a large number of methods to argue against the notion of overturning the will of the voters, and there has always been different schools of thought as to how best to refute the attempt to remove Trump. One of those methods is to correctly point out that even if all of your allegations were true, it STILL would not be grounds for removal from office.

Just because someone mentioned that particular option means absolutely nothing. You are bogusly pretending that it means that he is in the know and is acknowledging that he has been proven guilty of all accusations. All you do is consistently cherry pick the interpretation that suits your preconceived notions, while wholly dismissing other entirely plausible options.

 

You think "I don't think this rises to the level of an impeachable event" is completely disingenuous. That means high crimes and misdemeanors is just a quaint old constitutional phrase in your and the Dems minds. Do you believe that puts you way ahead of the founders and framers? They did not put the words, "The President ...... of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for whatever congress wants," for what they thought was a very serious important reason to protect the republic as much as possible. It is abominable that you view the framers as disingenuous.

 

Hopefully, you obsess about corruption and malfeasance in the congress too, because it vastly exceeds anything happening in the white house- and I think that covers all presidents.

 

Yawn.

 

Trump is not the problem. He's a symptom.

The problem: An ancient but persistent delusion exists among people that they need a leader to follow...which naturally compels them to give away their power.
The symptom: Parasites gladly & voraciously accept this power...and cannot get enough of it. The result: The parasites terraform the social & cultural landscape to one which is conducive to their survival. People then begin to lose their reasoning capacity & sense of independence...transforming into a veritable hive-mind controlled by the Alpha parasite. Once in this programmed state, the people come to believe they cannot live without authority...and are no longer able to ascertain, let alone choose, what is best for them.

Once the problem is addressed...the symptom will be gone.

Nations carry on not because of their so-called leaders, but despite their leaders.

 

"So what if he's guilty"? Are you kidding me? This nonsense is so silly that folks would rather know what is up with Megan Markel than pay attention to the stupid impeachment garbage.

 

Trump’s best defense had always been to stipulate to the bad behavior and argue it’s not impeachable. I’m not certain that approach would fly now because the revelations will come daily over the next month making it extremely difficult. Essentially Trump’s getting Trump’d.

Watch the approval numbers of those Senators up for election. If they continue to drop McConnell becomes a wild card.

 

As I like to remind the anti-Trumpers, the election was held in accordance with the US Constitution. During the impeachment process, the democrats claimed it was their Constitutional duty to impeach Trump. Apparently, the democrats would like to pick and choose which part of the Constitution they want to follow.

 

Are you referring to the Trump administration or the idolized Obama administration ...... or maybe FDR?

 

Yup.

The Russian collusion delusion, the imminent "coup" and "invasion" of Venezuela, Whirled Wor ThREEEE! in North Korea, or Syria, or Iran, or wherever the Trump haters are whinging about this week, etc...

I just don't care anymore.

Keep crying "wolf", boy. I just don't care.

 

You have it confused. Leaders are like navigators on a ship, or guides of a wagon train. They do not chose the destination, the people with them to that. Their job is to guide the way, to safely hep the group reach their destination.

You speak not of leaders- but of Mis-leaders, people who abuse the power of leadership to take people where they want them to go, and they do that by promoting weakness, not strength. They oppose independent thinking and freedom because it impairs their power and objectives, thus they want the followers to become sheep, and to do that they try to instill fear, they promise them things that can never be delivered, and they play on the weaknesses of those they have addicted into their flock.

Anyone whose promises are to be fueled with value stolen from others is such a Mis-leader.

 

All of the above.

 

You seem to be horribly confused. Almost three million more people voted for Trump's opponent in the election of 2016. In the election if 2018 10% more people voted for Democratic candidates than for Republicans. Polls have been showing that 52% of the population want Trump impeached and removed. The Impeachment of Donald Trump is the will of the voters.

 

The corruptuin of the likes of Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham is well known. It is debatable if their corruption us worse than Trump's. It may all just be part if the same corruption, in desire and action.