Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by learis, Oct 13, 2015.

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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    19.2%
  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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    7.7%
  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

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  4. Other

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    65.4%
  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    So if 99.9% of the population agreed on something, you wouldn't think that they are correct?
     
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  2. chris155au

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    I'm not talking about the legal argument. I'm talking about the moral argument. And when the argument DID become a legal one,
    it was based on equal rights - the idea that homosexuals shouldn't be discriminated against.
     
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    Well you still came to a conclusion didn't you? Even though you didn't know what type of marriage I was referring to.

    So these people who you refer to, who "attribute to a god what they don't want to question" - those people are idiots if they are talking to a non-religious person. However, I assume that you don't have a problem with it if they are talking to a fellow religious person.
     
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    How does the "public perception" of marriage affect marriage?
     
  5. chris155au

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    So if the law still said that marriage is only between a man and a woman, would this be akin to a right which only applies to men or a law which only applies to women? (meaning discrimination on the basis of sex.)

    Well maybe it's not written in law, but I assume that you acknowledge that marriage not made in good faith and for purposes of immigration fraud ('marriage fraud') is a felony offense.
     
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    You were referring to it generically.




    No idea what you are talking about.
     
  7. chris155au

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    Who are these people who "attribute to a god what they don't want to question?
     
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    At one point 99.9% of the population agreed that the sun moved around the earth.
     
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    Correct, assuming again that I have understood your question correctly, AND we are looking at US law. While I do think this type of equality should be universal, I readily admit that such discrimination could well be legal and "constitutional" under other law systems.

    Indeed, and I do find such fraud wrong. It is a fine line that is not easy to navigate. But love still is not a legal requirement of marriage, and as long as the couple in question are making a household together, they should be subject to the same scrutiny, or lack thereof, of marriages where both are citizens.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Don't you recognise those words? I am quoting you directly.
     
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    No, I'm asking, would it:

    A. be akin to a right which only applies to men,

    OR

    B. be akin to a right which only applies to women?

    What if they're not making a household together?
     
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    I agree. But 2 men and 2 women are real marriages. That is just reality.
     
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    strawman
     
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    If they are contrary to reality? of course not. At one time, 99.9% of the population thought the earth was flat, and after discovered it was round 99% believed it was the center of the universe.
     
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    Yes I don't know what you are talking about though.
     
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    I think I need you to restate the original question.

    That would constitute grounds for an investigation, but not automatically a finding of fraud. After all, many citizen couples end up spending most of their time in separate physical locations.
     
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    How? Support your claim of the fallacy. If the law makes religious marriage no longer exist, then it has to be written somewhere.
     
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    Actually the flat Earth idea was a rare one it turns out. Few actually believed that. However the geocentric universe/system was widely believed.
     
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    The more it's publicly perceived as a throwaway item, the more it will manifest itself as such in the public sphere. That dynamic was evident long before anybody gave a damn about "SSM".
     
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    you made up an argument and attributed it to me. I never once claimed there is a statute or law banning religious marriage.
     
  22. Maquiscat

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    Let's look.
    All that implies that somehow the law make religious marriage not exist. After all it can only be a legal fact if it is written in the law. What in the law makes religious marriage not exist?
     
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    The fact that it isn’t a legal marriage. It’s a ceremony unless legally recognized.
     
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    Now you have the strawman. I have never claimed that a religious marriage is a legal one. Only that they exist. You haven't proved they don't.
     
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    you don’t seem to know what a strawman is.

    I just showed you they don’t. If it isn’t legally recognized, it is a ceremony.
     

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