Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    In the West, there are counties that have traditionally paid for schools and other government services, like the police, through timber sales and grazing fees.
     
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    In the west there are counties which are almost entirely owned by the federal government. That reduces the tax base and local counties a townships struggle. We liked Lake City Colorado and considered moving there when I retired. Almost no property was available in that area because it was owned by he federal government.
     
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    So where does one go to learn such things?
     
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    I used to watch Firing Line growing up. At some point I came to realize that Buckley wasn’t all that bright. That he was more snarky than brilliant. But then that is kind of the core of conservative thought, isn’t it, being snarky. And the ruder the better.
     
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    Does that include pin heads like Buckley?
     
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    Humanity is divided between followers and leaders.
     
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    I’m with you on spending on foreign countries. Should only happen rarely as charity out of budget surplus.
     
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    I understand that. But not everyone is a wage earner. And it’s irrelevant to my question as to how what we have today is a flat tax.
     
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    I’m just trying to clarify. Usually you imply followers are authoritarian and are almost exclusively conservative. You seemed to diverge from that assertion here.
     
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    Productivity is money in, money out.

    Say I pay Bob $10 an hour to make Widgets that cost $10 in materials and I can sell for $20. Say Bob makes 5 an hour, then I profit $40 an hour off of Bob’s labor. If I raise my prices $1 I then profit $45 an hour. Thus my investment has become more productive.

    If Bob get really good and starts making 6 an hour, then my productivity has gone up from $40 to $50 an hour. If Bob quits, and I hire Tim for $8 an hour and he can make 5 widgets in an hour, then my productivity goes up $2 an hour. If I can find materials at say $8 a piece, then my productivity goes up $10 an hour. Workers are expenses. Reduce their costs and raise productivity.
     
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    You are dreaming.
     
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    Clearly you have no idea what a flat tax is. You just posted information completely contrary to your assertions. Bizarre.
     
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    No sir. Do some more research. The word you are looking for starts with a “p” but it is not productivity.

    Productivity can be influenced by pay scale, but it isn’t always. It can be completely independent. Productivity can influence the other “p” word, but it is not the same thing.
     
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    The core of the Trumpian right is Evangelicals. There is this curious think that happens to bright Evangelical kids who go to college. Not a Christian college, as those only reenforce the belief system. But those who go to large public Universities, a significant number tend to lose their religion. A similar thing happens with Hispanics. Once at a University, and seeing the wide open world, it is difficult to go back to the limited culture of their youth.
     
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    It's called "quotas".

    If I'm making five widgets an hour and get paid $10 an hour, and the boss tells me I'll make $15 an hour if I make eight widgets an hour, you can bet your ass I'm making eight widgets an hour...
     
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    Because earned income tax credits have increased faster than payroll tax rates, it is possible for EITC to entitle one to refunds above their payroll obligations.
     
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    No.

    The left is obsessed with leveling incomes and results. For example, where I live there is a new apartment complex nearby. They have beautiful 2 bedroom/2 bath apartments with garages, a gym, a swimming pool, etc. They charge rent according to your income as mandated by law. If you earn $80,000 per year, you pay $2,000 per month. If you earn $25,000 per year, you only pay $750 per month. This means the people who went to college, work hard, etc. end up living side by side with high school dropouts who move from job to job and are often unemployed.

    Conservatives have a hard time with this arrangement, but it is a liberal's wet dream.
     
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    I’ll bet you would because you are a motivated individual. But some would tell you to take this job and shove it and go get another job where only five widgets are required, even settling for $9.50 an hour to secure the position.
     
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    Seriously ? You’re going to throw that bogus example around ? The average person is Bill Gates?
    Your chances 3 in 100,000 becoming very wealthy regardless are less then getting hit by lightening are more then twice that ..
    With a degree, 8 in 100.000 instead of 3.


    But for 99.99 % of the rest of us,
    You literally have a 2 to 4 times the earning power.

    Gee, you can also get rich without an education living a life of crime...... until caught. Surprised Al Capone wasn’t on the list.
     
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    The right is obsessed with rewarding the rich for doing nothing. The right has a history of recessions with their bogus economic claims.
     
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    Buckley used to give 1960's liberals a hard time with their illogical crap. But back then, there were real liberals like JFK and "Scoop" Jackson who could be reasonable on their best days.

    If Buckley were around today, skewering radical nuts like Pocahontas would be too easy. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
     
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    This may be one of those cases where a good education comes in handy. Productivity, in terms of a company, is money in, money out. The more money I can make off of an investment in the least amount of time, the more productive my investment is.


    If there is an operation where say it takes ten men getting paid $20 an hour to do. It costs the company $200 an hour. If a tool could be used to increase the work productivity of the workers, say 10% then that would increase the investment productivity. Getting 110% work out of the $200 an hour investment.

    But say I buy a machine where two workers could do the work of ten. Say if over the life time of the machine, between its initial, operating and maintenance costs it averages out to $5 an hour. So now I am paying two workers $20 an hour each and paying $5 an hour for the machine to run, a total of $45 an hour for which I used to pay $200 an hour. My company’s productivity has thus more than quadrupled.
     
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    I've worked my ass off for 35 years and with benefits I earn $135K per year. I'm not rich, but every left wing proposal has always been aimed right at me. Your idea that liberal policies target "the rich" who "do nothing" is absurd.
     
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    I assume she or her husband paid Medicare taxes her whole working career? If the government forces you to pay into a program, using that program is not welfare or a sign of being irresponsible. They've pulled thousands out of my paychecks for government healthcare. Is your aunt a newly arrived immigrant?
     
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    It is always better to lead with a carrot than to drive with a stick. In this case the employer comes out on top. In the first instance the employer is paying $2 a widget. In the second instance the employer is paying only $1.875 a widget. Plus count in the more efficient use of the facilities.
     

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