Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Your complaint seems to be that Obama could not beat GOP obstruction. Which works perfectly. The country is dying for a democratic landslide or at least a president who dares to go nuclear. This is a disaster. The worst upward mobility and inequality just gets worse under these Reagan tax rates.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Certainly that is the goal of the GOP. That does not change the fact that this is what Blue has been also doing for decades.

    You seem to have this conception that Blue Establishment is vastly different than Red. Its not. Yes there are differences with respect to "hot button issues" (Abortion, Immigration, Gay Marriage and so on) - The big money interests that influence the Establishment often conflict on these issues - but in the Grande Scheme of things the Establishment does not care about them. The Establishment cares about money and maintaining the status quo - keeping the raging masses at bay.

    Look then not to where there is disagreements within the Establishment - but on what they agree. That is where the Devil is found.
     
  3. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Totally obstructed and the GOP blocked him everywhere you're complaining about.and I believe our law enforcement would have arrested anybody that did the stuff you think they did. I don't believe in any garbage GOP conspiracy theories.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure how you could get that out of my post - but No. Many of the dirty deeds done by Obama had nothing to do with obstruction. Some of them Yes - but many no.

    Did congress force Obama to arm a radical Islamist proxy army in Syria - I think not.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Democrats have not had 60 votes to pass reform since LBJ. You believe a lot of GOP propaganda when you should be looking at the policies that Democrats want. I certainly hope the next Democratic president goes nuclear and passes healthcare living wage daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly tax the rich their fair share along with giant corporations. This new GOP America is a bastion of inequality and bad upward mobility. And garbage propaganda is the only way this happens. You are totally misinformed.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are the one making things up - because you have no clue what you are talking about - I have not even given a specific example yet and you are already screaming "Conspiracy Theory" - so no projecting now.

    Let me know when you calm down .. in the meantime .. here is one example to consider.
    NSA Whistleblowers Seek $100 Million for Their Troubles
    Critics of mass surveillance say the government should pay for mistreating them.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/article...leblowers-seek-100-million-for-their-troubles

    The above is only to get you out of Conspiracyland. These are real people - and what was done to them is extremely troubling.
    The above does not get into details of the cases - for that you have to go elsewhere.

    The above article does not mention false imprisonment - "Sin of Omission"
    Go to "Russia TV" however - and you get more of the story.
    https://www.rt.com/usa/313662-whistleblowers-sue-doj-fbi-nsa/

    If you want to here the gory details from the horses mouth -
    The above is 2 hrs of testimony - but you should at least spend 15 min's listening to the story of one of them.
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    Don't know what @Texas Republican took in university, but he has a tendency to propagandize the forum with Trumper nonsense.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    They all do. It's what they have, an alternate planet. All Trump had to do to take over the GOP was repeat the bologna. Conspiracy theories phony scandals about Democrats the usual...
     
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    Yes
     
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    Let me guess, they can point and click
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    And you are a member of the GOP who wants to out The whistleblower about Ukraine. The GOP is the swamp. The whole party is a Russian asset. Especially the propaganda machine and the orange clown.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    The age of information will not be good for the GOP propaganda machine and the GOP.
     
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    Is that supposed to mean something to me or were you just talking to hear yourself?
     
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    There are skilled jobs for folks with average abilities that pay quite well. I spent a lot of time as a teacher introducing the idea to students that each of them should consider their own strengths, weaknesses, interests, how much money they need, and what they might train themselves to do.
     
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    How about pinheaded conservative elites, namely himself?
    Does Buckley conservatism even exist any longer?
     
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    Of course this happens...hence the phrase, “on average”.
    No one, least of all me with my limited education compared to my friends, would ever say I couldn’t make a good living. I consider myself of no more then average capabilities and might have been one of those students you counseled.

    But, the there is a reason we literally “ buy a house” with the money we spent for our kid’s education. A college degree today is what a high school degree was “ yesterday” on average. I would feel like I short changed my kids if I didn’t offer them this opportunity.
     
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    When you see the statistics on your television set, when they are talking productivity, they are talking money in money. If I can get a worker to work harder or for less money, or to replace him with a machine, it doesn't matter as I'd be paying less for the same amount of work. Most workers can be reduced to calculable numbers.
     
  18. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the left says it’s “Trumpian propaganda” when I say things like tax cuts increase discretionary spending.

    BTW, business undergrad & American history master’s.
     
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    Exactly....
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pinheaded conservative elites understand how economics works. Liberal pinheads? Not so much.

    Yes, Buckley/Reagan conservatism is alive. It’s just taking a backseat while Trumpians tweak the left for eight years.
     
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    There are no general trickle down economics strategies being taught in business. Targeted tax cuts that are short term, monitored and adjusted can work but still have to be watched. Long term un thought out gross tax cuts is like throwing meat to the biggest dog and expecting him to distribute it among the rest. They eat till their gorged. There is no reputable business model that recommends it, it’s fallacy.
     
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    Pin heads have figured a way to avoid recessions....the self promoting conservative model fails everytime resulting in higher deficits and recessions.
     
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    Sure Reagan....the father of deficits, recessions and corruption.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The smaller the government’s share of the economy, the faster the economy will grow. Small government brings fast growth and deeper recessions, but long term growth outpaces countries with heavy government involvement.
     
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    The economy boomed under Reagan after he cleaned up Carter’s mess.

    When Reagan took over, inflation was at 13.5% and interest rates were over 15%. I worked in the mortgage business and we were charging 20% interest back then. Carter was a disaster.
     
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