Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    yup
    Universal healthcare as in other countries, allows employees more freedom of movement instead of being tied down by employer based healthcare. People are much happier with their jobs in countries with universal healthcare.....they can do what they truly want and do better work.
     
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    Every kid in America should have that same shot. (Maybe not the car, lol.)

    Being born into poverty isn't a justification for leaving kids behind.

    As for the money side, your investment in your kid paid America handsomely in taxes, let alone the many other benefits directly to your kid and the community where they live - a hugely profitable investment.
     
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    I don’t get my education from a TV set. When you mentioned earlier about this being a case where a good education comes in handy I didn’t expect your education came from television. That clears things up.

    I’ve had television about 20 months out of my 45 years of life. Even when I had it, I did not consider it a source of good education. :)

    I’ll stick with terms and principles from economics and you can repeat what you see/hear on TV. I’ll do the best I can to figure out what you are talking about with your incorrect terminology and conflation of principles. No worries.
     
  4. WillReadmore

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    My sister put her kids in a bilingual public school where each subject was taught exclusively in one of the two languages, periodically switching for that subect. So, a math class may be exclusively one language at one tme and exclusively the oter language at other times.

    I remember my sister telling my little 2nd grade niece to speak English, becuase that was the only language some understood. She responded in Spannish that she WAS speaking English!

    Today, both kids are fluently bilingual college kids.
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    My point here is that we CAN just do it. There are many successful public and private schools that show the way.

    There certainly are local schools where kids are not getting the home attention children need. But, that just means there is more work to do.
     
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    Have no clue who 'you people' are.

    Misinformation comes from people who aren't in the middle of it every day, and believe what other people tell them as absolute truth. Misinformation comes from people who don't understand the value of labor, how labor markets work, or who is responsible for people's ability to support themselves. Misinformation comes from people who see one situation, or experience a situation, and promote the idea that all situations are identical. And most of all, misinformation comes from people who use wide paintbrushes in attempts to pigeonhole people because they can't stand the idea that not everything they've been told is the actual truth.
     
  7. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Corruption? Incompetent? Man, that’s crazy talk. That must come from “Hammer and Sickle” magazine.
     
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    European nanny states marvel at the growth rate of the American economy and our ability to keep the unemployment rate so low.
     
  9. Collateral Damage

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    And you still haven't answered my question, you've put up a laundry list of what you think people should be provided with. I believe all of that comes with a price tag, one of which was negated in our own Constitution. But, what another country has, some feel should be inflicted on everyone here, regardless if they want it or not.

    I'll bypass on the idea that the government can give you everything, because if they can give you everything, they can also take everything away.
     
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    Yes :) that is true as well - but related - best to find out what gifts a child has when they are young - so then can better utilize them.
     
  11. LangleyMan

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    There's a little more to Political Science than a few hours on Fallacy Files, but it is a good start.
     
  12. LangleyMan

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    How does the Constitution negate spending on what @hellofromwarsaw thinks people should have!
    Huh?
    Government can't "give you everything."
     
  13. LangleyMan

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    My computer studies students--all of them--were taught how to program spreadsheets, while my programming students were taught the prescribed programming language and assembly language.

    How about you? Can you do more than "point and click?"
     
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    That’s a lot to unpack, but it well demonstrates my point.

    For starters, let’s go back to the Reformation. The Reformation was the precursor of the Enlightenment. The reformation basically involved a movement away from the Catholic Church as the authoritarian leader/mediator between man and God. Religion just happened to be the tool used by the Catholic Church of the time to maintain authority. They used various media to convince the people that religion/God were problems the common man faced but couldn’t deal with on their own. Emotional argument was used to keep people in fear of what life might be like without the protective authority of the church. In essence, the Reformation informed people that they as individuals were capable of taking ownership of their own spirituality. Of course, the Enlightenment built upon this foundation, leading to the ideas that individuals had power and freedoms independent of other authorities of the time. You’ve correctly alluded to this.

    Now, back to the present. Let’s take one example you cite to begin with; healthcare. So your theory is that the Democratic Party is not authoritarian because it wants everyone to have healthcare. But let’s examine the methodology they employ and we will see it’s no different than the Catholic Church of yore. First, there is the glaring similarity that only an outside authoritarian force can possibly protect or provide for the individual. This is demonstrated by the one track mindset of Democrats on healthcare. There is no desire to empower the individual through markets or HSA’s or voluntary cost sharing programs. The only solution marketed to the common man is one of top down provision by a benevolent authority. Exactly the same as the Roman Catholic Church and religion/God. Only the labels of the players change, and the common man is duped into being the authoritarian personality again, same as hundreds of years ago.

    For now, that probably suffices to demonstrate my point. But I will touch on the same sex marriage issue because your use of it as an example made me laugh. Now don’t misunderstand. I think same sex marriage is the second best solution to the perceived problem. But your (and progressive’s) avoidance of the best, least authoritarian solution is irony gold. What is marriage? It is a religiously dogmatic tradition. And what have same sex couples done? The have demanded to be subject to the same authority as heterosexuals! It’s bizarre. If you and progressives were true to your stated values, you would have led the effort to do away with the authoritarian institution of marriage. And I would have stood with you on principle to see it done. But instead I watched in disbelief as you all clamored for authoritarian leaders to put more individuals under their authority. A perceived benefit was traded for increased authoritarianism, just like protection from an angry god was traded for the authority of the Church. I’m in a way glad same sex marriage makes people happy, but I’m saddened that authoritarianism was/is the vehicle to that happiness. It’s a big dump on the strides forward the Enlightenment brought. Apparently the Enlightenment was just a flash in the pan....
     
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    You're like the guy who borrows for a new truck, big screen TV, a European vacation and thinks he's rich.
    Gave up your medical practice? Hohhh-Kayyy...
     
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    Yet it is the result of those practicing STEM professions that allows you to come here and complain about STEM. What irony.
     
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    Dutch, Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian are very similar to each other and English. The sentence structure and verb tenses are kind of the same. It is primarily vocabulary that differs. If you listen closely as a Dutchman speaks, it often almost sounds like garbled English.
     
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    The productivity of a factory is independent of the productivity of an individual worker.
     
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    Selling arms to Iran and sending the money to the Sandinistas was absolutely in violation of explict congressional law.

    That was criminal. Plus, there is NO chance that Bush41 wasn't fully aware of that.

    Our policy toward Iran was really no different then than it is now. And, if we found someone selling arms to Iran today while keeping the act a secret I'm pretty sure that person would removed and/or prosecuted.
     
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    Your happiness is not my ****ing problem.
    Go ask your mommy to make you happy
     
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    Definitely.

    Grocery stores get credity for improved productivity per employee when they put in self serve check stands and fire the employee doing that job.

    US Steel is far more product in it's factories due to automation - more steel product per employee. They produce product with 10% of their previously required head count.

    And, that means the owners get higher income, but it does NOT mean that employees get higher income.
     
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    You need a course to learn excell, and you get paid for that? Teaching imbecils basic ****, and charging them lots of money, you're part of the problem, deriving your income from mountains of debt
     
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    Obama gave arms to the Mexican cartels. And he had the IRS harass conservatives. His list of scandals is quite impressive. Half of his administration plead the fifth, and the other half were granted immunity.

    Every president has “issues”. That’s what makes this impeachment a farce.
     
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    I agree, though it probably matters how one goes about measuring the productivity of an individual.

    One might simply dividies the corporate product by the employee count,

    Or one might figure out how much impact on productivity would arise from firing an individual.
     
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    You aren't bothering to figure out who it was that broke what law.

    The Reagan cases are clear cut. So are the Trump cases.

    Your logic is that something happened in a particular time period, so the president during that time period must be guilty.

    Obviously, it doesn't work that way.
     

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