Everyone out to Richmond on Monday!

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are nearly 400% more drug related deaths than Gun Homicides. How can anyone take the left seriously when they won't address the situations with the most deaths FIRST. It tells the rest of us ya'all don't really care about the lives......it's the guns themselves.
     
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  2. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The dangerous crazies storming Richmond at this very moment:
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    Yes, it's a "term of art". A fist can be a weapon of war in the right circumstances. Or even a piece of steel laid across a railway track. And shotguns were in fact used in Vietnam: https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/4/22/combat-shotguns-of-the-vietnam-war/

    Heck, I guess a muzzle loading smoothbore musket could be a weapon of war, in the right circumstances. In fact, I seem to recall that they were, once upon a time.

    Of course my point is, should there ever be a serious conflict in the US involving numbers of bad guys -- whether it's a mob of looters moving out into the suburbs, or the armed supporters of a military coup -- as some of our friends on the Left, perhaps with reason, once worried about ( http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/macarthur.html )... we want to be armed with more than shotguns and handguns.

    I've read pro-2A people arguing that their AR15s or AK47s are really just for hunting rabbits, but I was not convinced and I don't think any anti-gunner will be either. (Okay, not rabbits, but deer.) I don't think we gain anything by pretending otherwise.

    Of course, there are other, peripheral arguments, in favor of the low-recoil AR15 vs a twelve-gauge, as amusingly illustrated in the following video, but surely the main argument has to be, we need the arms necessary to preserve the security of a free state. Because we want to live in a free state, and the other side wants to live in a state where everything's free.

     
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  3. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your instincts were not wrong, with respect to the establishment's willingness to use violence, as dozens of religious eccentrics from Waco could testify from the grave, along with a lot of other people, Black and white. And we sure as hell shouldn't assume things will always be this way. But this time, the stars were aligned in our favor.

    Hopefully, at future such rallies, the crazies and neo-Nazis and similar types will again be discouraged from polluting the event.

    Now we need to build on this. There ought to be public meetings all over the US to discuss the issue of the Second Amendment, while public attention has been caught. Every militia unit should sponsor something like this, ideally with someone who attended the rally speaking. The militia have a bad public image -- even Fox news broadcasters repeat the lies of the Southern Poverty Law Center. So we need a "Come and see the scary people who are at Richmond" meeting wherever we can organize one. We need to reach the ordinary, non-ideological middle groun of America.
     
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    Great video. Anyone who wants to use a shotgun for protection should practice until they can control the recoil.
     
  5. Stuart Wolfe

    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you're saying you're the PF version of Justin Beiber?

    I'm okay with that. :salute:
     
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  6. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, he didn't.

    He referred to "both sides" of the crowd there, some to protest destroying the statues, others to support it. Among those protesting their destruction, were neo-Nazis. Trump is not the most informed or the most subtle of men, and he doesn't seem to weigh his words before he emits them, but he -- you can say "even he" if you like -- would not be so stupid and self-destructive to call neo-Nazis "very fine people," even if he believed it.

    And in any case, just because Trump asserts something, does not mean that everyone on the Right automatically agrees with it.

    I would hope the same is true for your side. For example, Presidential aspirant Elizabeth Harris asserted that it was too bad Michael Brown could not speak at the Democratic convention, but he couldn't because he had been murdered. ( I assume her words were weighed more carefully than Trump's.)

    But as you probably know, Michael Brown was not "murdered". He was shot to death while attacking, for the second time, a policeman, whom he had already attacked in the policeman's car, trying to get his gun.

    Obama's Justice Department investigated this -- we may assume, pretty thoroughly -- and found no grounds for charging the policeman. This case was famous, because the usual suspects originally asserted that Brown had his hands up and was saying "Don't shoot!". But this turned out to be the usual leftist lie.

    This did not prevent thousands of 'protestors' coming from all over the country to try to burn the place down. (Thank God for the Second Amendment and the AR15.)
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But I was saying it was a bad idea to go in the first place. I'm glad no one listened to me :D
     
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    LOL - Good gawd. :eek:

    I'm glad my wife doesn't have THAT problem...:lol:
     
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    I think someone said Antifa was being bussed in with MAGA hats and tee shirts so they could blend in and make conservatives look bad.
     
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    The Second Amendment.

    Hey, don't worry. You can still kill your child within the womb and in many states, rich uncle Joe when he is elderly.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most importantly, people need to get out and VOTE.

    We've had a lot of people come off the political sidelines during the 2A sanctuary campaign and they need to take their commitment and energy to the next level.
     
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    Good lookin' out.

    Glad to hear that Richmond was "Peaceful".

    And, as always, when I consider my Unrivaled Contribution to Humanity:

    [​IMG]:salute:
     
  13. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are right about the National Guard. Every eligible conservative should enlist in the Guard, unless they've done their military service already. Or in the ROTC if they're a college student.

    Details here:
    https://www.nationalguard.com/

    https://www.goarmy.com/rotc.html

    And of course they should fight climate change. Each conservative should convince one liberal to give up his car, and no longer fly anywhere.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely.
    There are about 200 million eligible voters in the US. About half of them vote. The Left works hard at registering voters, and so should we.
    I've got some ideas for reaching potential sane voters who are not now registered which I would be happy to discuss with anyone -- just PM me.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. And the problem with a proper rifle being used for home defense is that the bullet can end up lodged in your neighbor a block away.
    So Joe Biden is actually right, so far as home defense goes. I suppose a 20-gauge would do the job, with less recoil. Still, you've got to admit it's a funny video.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought that might happen myself.

    But on reflection, from what I know about AntiFa, they do not, at this point, have the committment and discipline to do something like this.

    One of the serious hard left groups, like the RCP or PL or the WWP, might be able to do it. But even there, given the stringent demands of the organizers that
    the demonstration be peaceful, I think they would have stood out like a sore thumb. People would have surrounded them asked them who they were, where they came from, who they knew there ... and most of the Left just don't look normal, if you know what I mean. So it would have been a very risky operation. Imagine if the police had arrested them, for example. They would have had to wear masks or bandanas, which immediately would have made them suspect.

    They might have penetrated the militia earlier, so they would turn up with some protective cover. But this requires real long-term committment.
    It would take months, even years, of preparation -- learning how we think and talk -- and preparing a reasonable background: getting involved first with a harmless conservative group like the Young Republicans for a couple of years, and making sure that there were no revealed leftist connections that could turn up in a background check. (Many militia groups now do background checks on new applicants, to weed out the ones with a criminal record, history of domestic violence, etc. Even if these people are 'sincere', they are vulnerable to police blackmail to turn informant.)

    Some of these people may have long-term 'sleepers' in the militia and other Rightwing groups, but if so, they quite rightly decided not to waste those assets for a dubious return today.

    Some political associates of mine, and I, tried to get onto all the social media outlets we could, to urge people to come, and to avoid provocation. We argued against the stay-at-home people, and the bring-your-guns-and-seize the capitol hot-air ************. We also gave some advice about dealing with provocateurs who revealed themselves, by trying to goad the police, say by throwing things at them from the middle of the crowd: pick the provocateur up by his arms and legs, and pass him over the head of the crowd into the arms of the nice policemen... and if he loses his wallet and ID along the way, well, what a shame.

    I also worried that the neoNazis and modern Confederates might turn up, perhaps pushed by internal informants to do so. I urged the VCDL leaders not to allow these people near the demonstration, but they responded with a defense of free speech! In the event, looking at the livestreams, I saw only one Confederate flag. I suppose the Mainstream Media will feature it tomorrow -- although so far, the MSM reports I have read seem reasonably objective.
     
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    It was a great video.
    Women who want to use a shotgun should watch this one to avoid looking like the women in the first video.

     
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    agree, in part. I went thru those individually and primary complaint inhad was the assault part which was incomplete.
     
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    Whats the post game review? Anything happen? Anything going to change within the new Virginia laws?

    Went to da movies...
     
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    The review is that law abiding 2nd amendment activists are peaceful and law abiding and are the exact ones that should be armed. Not surprisingly there were no cars burned, there was no shops looted, there were no masks worn, there was no barricades busted and no concrete shakes thrown. Pretty much the opposite of any lefty march because they're civil law abiding individuals that respect the law and cities.
     
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    Great... all's well that end's well.... I guess the real psycho's stayed far away.....
     
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    We’ll see if anything changes with the new laws. Personally, I doubt it so I’m looking down the road to see if this and the 2A sanctuary campaign has any impact on the elections between now and 2022.

    According to the Capitol Police, the estimated total turnout was around 22,000 with 6000 protesting on the Capitol grounds and 16,000 demonstrating on the streets around it (mostly on Bank Street). Looking at the size of the crowd and comparing it to demonstrations I’ve attended in DC, I guessed it was upwards towards 30,000 so I think the Capitol Police were close.
     
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    Yeap the left's Antifa didn't have the balls to come, shocking.
     
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    Not surprised lefties still trot out this lie.
     
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    sounds like ended pretty peaceful, think the news coverage helped in this case, kept the people on both sides vigilant and policing their own
     
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