Everyone out to Richmond on Monday!

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    On the way into a city how do they have the manpower?
     
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    From what I can see, everything went well. I am glad and want to thank all of you for fighting for our unalienable rights. That takes guts and you showed the rest of the world how it is supposed to be done in an honorable way. I do not own, nor carry, but I support our rights and do not want them changed. That's the way it is supposed to be. I never fear someone who carries. I fear those who do not believe it should be our right.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trying to be as non-partisan as possible, I think that these are at least some contributing factors: the Left has not engaged in systematic armed terrorism since the late 1970s/early 80s. There are some Leninist groups -- and they play a significant role in the Left despite relatively small numbers -- who anticipate an armed seizure of power. But they're Leninists, so they (rightly) understand that it's counter-productive to do terrorist acts now.

    The violence of the Left is not via guns or bombs, at the moment, but via mob actions against conservatives trying to exercise their rights. This is nasty, but not in the same league as snipers or bomb-makers.

    Riots of the normal type -- those supported or apologized for by the Left -- are actually mainly a-political. They begin as extended protests over perceived police brutality, and then quickly degenerate into simple looting and mayhem. The illiterate mobs dragging people from their cars or carring away television sets from department stores were not organized by anybody, and couldn't tell you what their political aims are anyway.

    But on the Right, there have been, and continue to be, people who threaten armed violence. And occasionally, there are individuals who actually do it. Not just the neo-Nazis and the Klan, but the anti-abortionists in the 'Army of God' (look them up); plus various ultra-eccentric types, like the 'Sovereign citizens', the 'Silent Brotherhood', the 'Christian Identity movement', and then literally hundreds, if not thousands, of private individuals who utter blood-curdling threats about 'arresting and hanging traitors' and the like. It's mainy just adolescent swaggering, they are talkers of the word, not doers, but it's there. And sometimes you get a Timothy McVeigh.

    Get on to YouTube, load a few videos on Richmond, and you'll see dozens of people in the comments sections urging us to bring our guns to Richmond and arrest the governor. or making similar insane threats. Often these crazed proposals are justified by pseudo-legal references to the Constitution. (In the 70s and 80s, the Posse Comitatus was obsessed with this sort of crazy stuff.) Several others and I spent hours writing refutations in these comments of this madness from these hotair merchants -- we urged people to come to Richmond, to obey the instructions of the people organizing the rally. We no doubt had zero effect, but it was useful to get it down on record that there were hard-core pro-2A people, including members of miliitias, who adamantly opposed doing or saying crazy things.

    So ... when anyone raises concerns about violence 'from the Right', they're not just making stuff up out of whole cloth. If we are honest we will acknowledge that there are some people -- and not just avowed fascists -- on the Right who talk crazy talk ... and occasionally, there have been unstable personalities who have taken the hot air literally, with tragic results.

    On the other hand, if they are honest, these people will in turn acknowledge that this is a tiny fringe, as representative of the Right as Antifa is of genuine liberals (less so, I would argue, but that's not important).

    In particular, almost the whole organized militia movement -- and I've been surveying their websites, state by state -- is on record as being open to every patriot, regardless of color or creed, and most of them explicitly disavow racism, extremism, or being anti-government. I don't expect the the Soviet Pravda Law Center to acknowledge this, as that wouldn't make the "dollars roll in" (to quote one of their staff), but it's the truth.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, by a 'plant' I meant someone from the Left who has pretended to be a patriot, and joined a militia group. He would dress like them, talk like them -- but adding some extra extremism -- maybe go to Richmond with them. Then, with his deceived fellow members around him, he would pretend to get angrier and angrier, say with the police, and possible suddenly throw a half-brick at them. Or, if he was really brave, unload a magazine at the Capitol building, hoping to set off a firefight.

    But that would have taken a really high level of committment, and self-sacrifice. I don't think the Left is there yet. The militias are no doubt well infiltrated by FBI informants, but they're there, at the moment, just to gather information. So far, they don't seem to be urging militia units to undertake crazy stuff.

    I did worry that a rogue band of anti-Fa types would turn up and taunt the crowd, perhaps throwing excrement at the or something, hoping to provoke an armed response. But, as you imply, they would have to be suicidal to do that, even wearing flak jackets with Level IV armor. And 'Revolutionary Suicide' hasn't been popular since the mass socialist self-immolation at Jonestown, more's the pity.
     
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    Why do law-abiding gun owners get labeled as dangerous radicals when they peacefully assemble, but the leftists who block traffic, assault Trump supporters, damage property, disrespect cops, litter in the streets, & burn the flag get a free pass?
     
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    MLK Day also happens to be Lobby Day in Virginia. Since it's a holiday for a lot of people and it comes shortly after the opening sessions of the new legislature, it provides citizens with an opportunity to go to the Capitol and speak with their reps about the issues that concern them. While the 2A demonstrators were the largest and most conspicuous group, there were others at the Capitol yesterday lobbying their reps.

    If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should have listened to the people speaking at the MLK memorials encouraging people to get involved in their communities and governments. Everyone at the Capitol yesterday, regardless of who or what they were representing, were doing just that.
     
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    Obviously, Governor KKKoonman is full of ****. There was no violence at the rally because the protesters exercised their First Amendment rights in a lawful and peaceful manner as I predicted they would. The police did their job and kept and eye on things and they deserve credit for that.

    One thing I noticed - and I imagine the protesters did, too - was the excessive police presence, which pulled them away from their other duties and probably cost Virginia taxpayers unnecessary money. a lot of Virginians, including myself, aren't happy about that but I'm contenting myself with the fact that everything went well in spite of the fear mongering of the governor and his comrades who did everything they could to portray the protesters in the worst possible light before the demonstration. It's gratifying, to put it mildly, to see them eat their words.
     
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    The left wing media tried to cast this as a white supremacist rally.

    #BlackGunsMatter Founder Rips Media’s VA Gun Rally Coverage — ‘They Have An Interest In Chaos’
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/20/...-toure-richmond-virginia-gun-rally-interview/



    Just in case anyone is interested here is their channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYZUqEJkBGFXf1ESAEoLFOg/videos

    ‘F**k You!’: Elderly Man Crashes Live MSNBC Shot At Virginia Gun Rights Rally
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/20/fk-you-elderly-man-live-msnbc-shot/



    ‘I’m Governor Ralph Northam, And I Am In Blackface Today’: African American Pro-Gun Protester Mocks Virginia Governor
    An African American man waving a Trump 2020 flag at Monday’s pro-gun rally in Richmond, Virginia was filmed trolling Virginia Governor Ralph Northam by jokingly proclaiming, “I’m Governor Ralph Northam and I am in blackface today.”
    “Make a hole,” he said as he walked through the crowd. “I’m spending my white privilege today. I’m Governor Ralph Northam and I am in blackface today.”


    The rallygoers could be heard on the video laughing."
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/20/african-american-pro-gun-northam-blackface/

    https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1219286445942284290/video/1


    NBC News Reporter Deletes Tweet That Virginia Gun Rights Protest Is A ‘White Nationalist Rally’
    “Reporters covering tomorrow’s white nationalist rally in Virginia, I’m absolutely begging you: Verify information before you send it out tomorrow, even if it’s a very sensational rumor you heard from a cop. Don’t become a hero in neo-Nazi propaganda circles with made-up stuff,” tweeted reporter Ben Collins, as reported by Newsbusters."

    Then has to delete his asinine manufactured tweet because it was a "sensational rumor" but still can't help be an ass while manufacturing more lies.

    I’m deleting a tweet so I can be super clear about tomorrow’s rally in Virginia. The Lobby Day protest is and has traditionally been a gun rights rally, but white nationalists, including militant group The Base, have been planning violent action at the event,” he tweeted.

    “Every news piece on the rally always brought up the issue of race, as though it’s nothing but white rednecks and hillbillies out here who care for the Second Amendment,” one black man told reporters at the event. “Well, actually, black Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, Americans in general, care about the Second Amendment.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/nbc-...n-rights-protest-is-a-white-nationalist-rally
     
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    A sympathetic and complicit LW media.

    This goes back a long time, too. The lunatic Leftist and Islamist fringe in the ANSWER Coalition who were responsible for organizing and conducting many of the "anti-war" protests during the mid to late 2000s were portrayed as ordinary mainstream citizens by the media instead of the extremists that they were then and remain today. This was the same vanguard of anti-American idiots who were behind many of the OccuTard, anti-police, pro-North Korea and now Iran protests as well as this:

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    Commie astroturf masquerading as mainstream America, and the media knew it and provided them with cover:

    Pretty harsh coming from a Trotskyist, of all people...
     
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    I just said it's weird how they were celebrating MLK day, I would say the same if they celebrated Easter this way
     
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    So it's a war over individual rights and liberties. Ok, what side are you on?
     
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    one would have to be extremely depressed to get Social Security Disability due to ones mental issues, do you think those people should be buying guns

    remember, these are not just mental issues, they are mental issues so severe you qualify for Social Security Disability because of them, and need assisted living to boot
     
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    We saw the worst of the Left and the best of the Right yesterday.

    I'm also glad to report that the protesters brought in a lot of money for the local businesses around the Capitol. Ordinarily, downtown Richmond is a ghost town on MLK Day and business sucks but that was anything but the case yesterday, and of course there were no incidents. It was a win for everybody except the sick, hateful people who were hoping for disorder and violence.
     
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    Civic participation on MLK Day is "weird"?

    I find that sentiment weird...
     
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    The same side that went gun-grabbing at Lexington and Concord...
     
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    Giggles.
    She wasn't asked to solve a wave equation.
    You guys are too much
     
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    What if alot of things
     
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    so you think they were honoring MLK? maybe some were....
     
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    May want to check this link. It probably worked when you posted but now only shows about two seconds of the shows intro.
     
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    In VA, the National Guard works for Coonman. Who wants to join and possibly be sent door to door to confiscate guns?
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And it may work for Elizabeth Warren in a few months. Or Bernie.
    I won't elaborate on what a Guardsman should do in that situation, because it will depend on the situation.
    Plus, one wants to watch what one writes, or even says, nowadays.
    We need to be in the military, and have the closest possible links with them. (And with the police.)
    The military are the ultimate source of political power, as Chairman Mao taught us.
    The more of us there are in it, the better.
    It's like Lincoln said, with respect to the Fugitive Slave Act -- laws can
    be enforced with enthusiasm and thoroughness ... or they can be enforced only by the letter, in a dry, unenthusiastic
    way.
    And anyone with a weapon that gets banned should find it very easy to make it disappear. Lost overboard in a boating accident,
    given to an elderly relative in another state. And bury some tin cans and a metal pipe in your back yard. Two or three times.
    But once they are banned they will be very difficult to get. So get at least one AR15, two thousand round sof ammo, and a dozen magazines
    now. More than one set, if finances permit. Ideally bought for you by that elderly relative in another state and then gifted to you.

    Which brings me to a joke to lighten everyone up:

    An IRA man was interned in Northern Ireland. His wife wrote to him: "Seamus, it's time to put in the potatoes in the north field, but you're in prison. What will I do?!
    Seamus wrote back, "The north field! For God's sake, Kathleen, don't go digging in the north field! That's where the guns are buried."
    A week later she wrote back, "Oh, Seamus, the British Army was here ... and they completely dug up the North field!"
    And he wrote back, "Now put in the potatoes.".
     
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    "the Left has not engaged in systematic armed terrorism since the late 1970s/early 80s."

    Horsepucky!

    There's this group, who call themselves "Antifa". You might read up on them. They're definitely on the left and they absolutely engage in "systematic armed terrorism".
     
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    Events such as these definitely give a push to the retail. One could have made some money selling cups of hot chocolate. :)

    I'm a bit relieved that it went smoothly. Several people I know went, even though we are 5+ hours away.

    Will it change any minds? Probably not.
     
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    Wow... the MSM seemed really upset that no violence occurred, nothing was destroyed, and the crowd was incredibly peaceful.

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