Why are the Democrats opposed to the Bidens testifying?

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    All total baloney. You have one example of a few questions that were obviously going to be asked. And super-delegates that would have voted for Bernie themselves if he had actually beaten Hillary-nothing secret about it. Big farghing deal. And that sir is how you become totally misinformed and hateful about Democrats.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because both Hunter and Pops are Guilty as hell.Of getting rich
    while in office and by using graft to accomplish it.Joe using his
    position as a Senator years ago with a Banking Regulation he profited
    from and his son using his Dad's Title { Vice President } to enable and
    secure foreign deals and lots of money with No experience or even speaking
    the language.In short it's a No Brainer.
    Does not pass the smell test.
    The Biden's can't count on this 5th Column MSM to do their
    water taking like with Obama.Mainly because the American Polulace
    was lectured to all throughout Obama's Term about how unfair it is
    to be wealthy and also White Priviledge.
    Average Joe American does not want to hear how easily Hunter
    Biden made his millions.Or how slick pops was over the years with
    his easy riches.
     
  3. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Our government and all our allies wanted to get rid of that corrupt prosecutor. Totally different from your Trump mobbed up shenanigans....
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh dear. Shokin wasn't investigating anyone. Not Burisma. Not Kolomoisky. No one.

    That's why he was fired.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    And I'd love to see a link to the FBI finding the GOP had also been fished. Sounds like more garbage propaganda with no evidence and never retracted. So you have been misinformed and duped again.... As always.


    Later... Well I went and looked it up you want to try that. The Russians hacked the GOP to but for some reason never put it out funny huh? They were for Trump against Hillary, Putin's sworn enemy.
     
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    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    Which, of course, is also what terrifies the political Left.
     
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    wist43 Banned

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    He was fired b/c Biden said... and we have video of this -

    " ... I'm leaving in 6 hours. Fire the guy or you get no $$"

    You guys have elevated being obtuse to an Olympic sport ;)
     
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    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    I agree Biden is guilty..
    BUT
    that dont make trump not guilty...he did the same thing
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is totally relevant.

    The Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election and Trump's first request was for the Crowdstrike server, which is now at Fort Gordon.

    To be honest, the Dems are HOPING that the Republicans don't call witnesses so they can cry, "cover up," for the foreseeable future.

    Yovanovitch is going to have to answer if she verbally provided names to not be investigated. And this after she had to admit that she was prepped by the State Department about the Biden/Burisma connection.

    The Dems know that they are sitting on top of mounds of corruption that they hope will be swept away by a quick vote to dismiss the case.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reason it seems obtuse to you is because you are not well informed.

    Yes, Biden gave Ukraine an ultimatum - because US aid was contingent on anti-corruption efforts. As Shokin was blocking those efforts, he had to go, or no more aid. ALL other countries/organizations providing aid to Ukraine ALSO wanted Shokin fired, for the same reason.

    The video may seem like a "discovery" to you but he is recalling something that was never a secret.

    Biden's (and international) pressure on Ukraine - enforcing US policy - was well-known at the time.
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. Biden was simply stating that U.S. and WB loan guarantee policy was contingent on removing Shokin. It's like the Trump people have "discovered" some deep dark hole of corruption. It's laughable and comes apart when one asks "What did Biden get out of this personally?" It was U.S. policy. Trump's attempted bribery was not and it involved a personal return. Big difference.
     
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  12. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Bribery? Why isn't it a part of their articles? Whatever happened to Quid Pro Quo? Or Extortion? Or any of the above? Face it: You're going to have to win the presidency by traditional means of the election.
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Extortion and bribery are contained in the Abuse of Power charges. They haven't gone away, they are central and are detailed in Democratic impeachment manager's presentations.
     
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    I might agree with you were it not for the fact that Biden was in bed with Ihor Kolomoisky and Burisma.

    But since he was in bed with Kolomoisky, and he did have a personal interest in insuring that Burisma was not investigated - it stands to reason that any and all of his actions and activities need to be investigated.

    Do you deny that Biden was connected to Kolomoisky and Burisma, and that Kolomoisky is notoriously corrupt??
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not a "fact", at all.
    As neither of the premises are true, it doesn't stand to reason.
    Biden had nothing to do with Kolomoisky or Burisma.

    Sure, Kolomoisky's notoriously corrupt. So, we can expect him to play a starring role in Guiliani's smear campaign, and for the same reasons as all the rest of Giuliani's corrupt pals - Lutsenko, Shokin, Firtash etc etc. That is, hoping to curry favor through Giuliani's "in" with the WH/DOJ that will help them fight investigations and prosecution in the US for their corrupt activities, in return for "dirt".
     
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    And it is not just Hunter Biden who has landed all kinds of sweet private and government contracts and job opportunities, it's the entire Biden family.

    Lets see Trump's team lay out a detailed report on the suspicious activities going on while Joe Biden was our Vice President. The House dems are forcing Trump to justify why he suspected that corruption may have gone on with Joe's interference in the the investigations, and the firing of Shokin
     
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    EyesWideOpen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where is the impeachment article for the crimes of either bribery or extortion? All the dems have is their biased speculations and opinion, based on what they think he might have been secretly thinking about, or what they think he might have been capable of doing.
     
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    EyesWideOpen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't be so lazy, all it takes is a quick Google search.

    But whatever, you just refuse to inform yourself so you can continue to insult people. Typical.

    Republican National Committee Security Foiled Russian Hackers
     
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    Hunter Biden sat on the board of Burisma - with exactly zero qualifications. That is a fact.

    And you want to argue Biden had no connections to Burisma??

    If you want to be taken seriously, you have to at least acknowledge facts.

    Grow up.
     
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    I've never heard of a trial where no new evidence & no witnesses were permitted to be heard. Is this what you Trumpsters regard as American justice? Is McConnell's trial rules what you regard as "fair," or legitimate? I know I'd hate to be on trial for something & not be allowed to offer or hear evidence, or witnesses. But if you support Trump & McConnell on this, that's precisely what you'll be supporting.
     
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    Hunter Biden was a lawyer. You think lawyers have to know all about the industry in which they work in order to provide legal advice, like corporate governance, facilitating international agreements, etc. etc.? Furthermore, it was common practice after the 2014 revolution for Ukrainian companies to hire big names as board members, in turning away from Russia and seeking new appeal to the West. And, they paid very well for it.

    Bottom line, landing a super-cushy job is not a crime.
    Other than that his son was on the board? No, he didn't.
    Unnecessary snipes are grown up?
     
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    Don't be silly. The House inquiry is where people were not allowed to call witnesses, not allowed to cross examine witnesses and challenge evidence. Hell, Trump's lawyers were not even allowed to be present to challenge witnesses and cross examine during the House intel committee hearings.

    The house impeached Trump with the evidence they gathered, now we try him with that same evidence.

    You seem to think we impeach Trump with one set of evidence, and then remove him from office with an entirely different set of evidence.
     
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    Hunter Biden was dishonorably discharged from the Navy, and is a coke addled loser.

    Those are qualifications to sit on a board and draw an $83k/mo salary, while performing no duties or work??

    Or, could it be that coke snorting Hunter was nothing more than a conduit through which Kolomoisky could buy the Vice President of the United States??

    And you wonder why rational people question your discernment and honesty??
     
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    1. The work in the house is based on following up with suspicions of wrongdoing & trying to uncover evidence to support those suspicions. It is NOT the job of the House to try & balance things with the accused. The House is like the FBI of impeachment. They investigate--the DON'T mitigate. The Constitution clearly says that the Senate is where the impeached person will be "tried." That's where the accused gets the opportunity to defend himself. That's what the Constitution dictates. This whole argument by Republicans about the House not being fair is all BS & political propaganda to mislead the voters.
    2. Except that Republicans under McConnell's direction are declining to allow that evidence to be enriched by new evidence uncovered since impeachment. So, truth becomes victim to supporting the personality cult of the White House. That serves you no more than it serves me.
    3. No. Allowing new evidence that ties to & supports older evidence is precisely how our judicial system is supposed to work. You're arguing against new related evidence being important or desirable. If it were you on trial & there was new evidence that supported your innocence, yet the court refused to look at it because it was "new," how would you feel? Trump supporters are weakening a judicial system that works for us all. The changes he forces on us will eventually trickle down to impact us too. Can't you see that?
     
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    All of this should've been done in the House, but Herr Pelosi wouldn't allow that. You should take that up with her majesty and her disgraced House.
     

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