Will Trump win in 2020?

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What would make Trump lose in 2020?

  1. If another big war gets started.

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  2. If the stock market crashes.

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  3. He cannot lose no matter what happens.

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  4. I don't care if he wins or loses.

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  1. Moriah

    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    Many people believe Donald Trump will be a shoo-in to win the 2020 Presidential election. Even the impeachment proceedings don't hurt him with some voters.
    What would it take to make Trump's base turn away from him? Please share your opinion.
     
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    If the United States got embroiled in a war with Iran -- and ended it RAPIDLY (meaning, of course, by use of AIR POWER ONLY), then it wouldn't hurt his chances of re-election... in fact, it would probably guarantee his victory.

    But, that means NO INVASIONS, NO 'boots-on-the-ground', NO 'nation-building' afterward, NO lavishing billions of dollars in 'foreign aid' on Iran, etc., etc. It would have to be a brutal, month-long 'war' which devastates the Iranian military, followed by a rapid U. S. disengagement immediately afterward... PERIOD!

    A stock market crash would be disastrous for him, though. Trump has built the nucleus of his whole success story on the economy, the lowest unemployment rate since 1969, playing international 'hard ball' with China, crushing interest rates back toward zero, keeping up the economic pressure on Russia, North Korea, and Iran with 'sanctions', etc. ALL of that stuff is economic at its core!

    At this point, I can't imagine anything that would crash the stock market until after the election -- mostly because the Federal Reserve System (the U. S. central bank) has resumed imaginary money-"printing" on a multi-billions-of-dollars-per-month scale, and they've encouraged everybody to go back in debt up to their earlobes by crushing interest rates to near-zero... again....

    To make it simple -- Trump's got the Fed in his pocket. And central banks everywhere (except for Russia and China) ARE the economy. And remember, even though nearly all stocks are grossly overvalued today, nobody's going to 'pull the plug' because the Fed will make sure there's plenty more gigantic piles of imaginary dollars everywhere, and they can be scooped up at interest rates near zero. So, if the economy is the prime criterion, how can Trump lose...?

    How could a Democrat possibly win? Warren was on the right path when she said that she would provide Social Security recipients with the first decent increases in benefits in TEN YEARS, and that would be very, very appealing to a block of 70,000,000 voters, known as "Baby Boomers" -- especially those who EARNED their benefits by paying into the government system all their lives.

    Warren came out with this interesting pledge last September, and then, for some reason, never even mentioned it again! Instead, she resumed all the usual Democrat "social-justice-warrior" bullshit, along with promises about government give-away stuff that amounts to nothing more than just more welfare handouts. With only that to back her play, she won't get the votes of anyone but real Socialists, other 'SJW's', and the usual welfare-sucking dregs. Not enough to win anything....
     
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    One important part of the formula is who he is up against..... and it does not look good for the Dems.

    Here is a post from Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz:
     
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    Once the Donald gets past impeachment...

    ... he can run for President...

    ... an' win again.
     
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    Stock market collapse or assassination.
     
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    It's going to be too close to call til the votes are counted.
     
  7. Pollycy

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    Poor Bernie... I can't help but like him and respect him -- if only because he (like me and millions of other Boomers) developed our sense of political outrage and our own political 'edge' during the Vietnam War! None of the generations that came after the early 1970's can really understand just how thoroughly horrible, unjust, unnecessary, stupid, corrupt, and REVEALING being subject to a corrupt, tyrannical government was during that time was! None of them can really comprehend what being subject to the DRAFT was like....

    I rank Lyndon B. Johnson as one of the five worse American Presidents of all time, and that deep-seated resentment and loathing was rooted in the Vietnam War, which ballooned out of control with his completely faked, fabricated, "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution". Bernie and many of us Boomers would agree on THAT much, if little else....

    But, c'mon Bernie... the Vietnam War ended, finally and forever, FORTY-FIVE YEARS AGO! Let it go.... Do like many of the rest of us old farts have done and RETIRE! Shortly after you and a lot of the rest of us are dead, the Russians and Chinese are going to take over the Eastern Hemisphere, and possibly the rest of the world after that. The United States will be in a state of unresolved political civil war from now until we finally wreck ourselves completely. Give it up now and live -- while you still have enough life left to do so....:party:
     
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    Yeah, Trump will win again, and Colbert will be saying he won't last six months.
     
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    That there isn't a viable third party, and that the democrat platform has gone so far left, there simply isn't an alternative to voting republican. So, regardless of what happens, the straight R button will be pushed in November.
     
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    Trump is doing well in the key states like FL, Penn and Wis

    Not sure about Mich
     
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    Mich has always been a f disgrace
     
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    If Biden is the candidate, Trump loses. economy or no People do like the economy being prosperous but most people attribute it either to Trump''s Coasting on Obama's policies or simple dumb luck. Trump simply does not appear anywhere near smart enough to be some sort of economics genius and his track record doesn't really support that either (He is POSSIBLY very rich, that is true, but the started that way and all the evidence says he ought to be a good deal richer AND there is the fact that he may not be nearly as rich as he makes out, this may be why he won't allow the release of his tax returns.

    Now against him are the facts that he is possibly the most blatantly corrupt pol to be a President in our history and most people see that as very harmful to the country besides the fact that he is making us a pariah nation with a foreign policy that is both wildly erratic and perilously truculent

    NOBODY but his base really likes the man, this is the main mistake of most Trumpers, they see him as a lovable curmudgeon; but most people view Trump as a vicious liar, an alarmingly toxic individual, and a dangerous incipient tyrant. People are anxious to get rid of him if they can be convinced that doing so will not upset the apple cart and end the prosperity

    Biden appears to be a just what the people want, He is a "return to normalcy". That worked for silent Cal and it will work for him.
     
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    I don't think any of the poll options above would cause Trump's reelection loss. It just depends who Democrats pick as their nominee, how well (Trump's and the opponent's) campaigns are run and managed, and which candidate gets the most voters out in key swing states. I expect it will be competitive and a fairly close race for the popular vote and more of a spread in the electoral votes....just like last time.
     
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    Biden? A "return to normalcy"...? Yes, if overbearing, tyrannical, real-life 'quid pro quo' demands for favors that directly enrich one's own disgraced failure of a son are "normal" in the fun little Democrat world, then yes! Joe Biden would indeed be a return to that kind of "normalcy"....

    And yet in their delusional world, big-wig Democrat political-theorists think that WORKING Americans, many of whom struggle like hell to make $83,000 in a whole year don't think it stinks to high heaven to see how hard "Daddy Joe" pressed to protect his cocaine-huffing son, who was making at least that much EVERY SINGLE MONTH...?! In a foreign country he never visited... in a company whose business he had no experience or education in whatsoever.... Yeah, that's 'normal'.... :roflol::worship:

    [​IMG]. "Hey, don't frown... IT'S NORMAL...!" :cheerleader:
     
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    Has anyone looked at the clown crew Democrats are running? Not one of them can win a general election, Democrats need a miracle, Trump is just fine against any of them, impeached or not. Pence would beat anyone of those Democrat clowns too, so its not really an issue...
     
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    Dems seem to know they cannot beat Trump on policy so they attack him personally, make up lies about him, fear monger and attack his family and his sons. President Trump is delivering on his promises during the campaign so he will be hard to beat. Of course, Bush lost to Clinton and Bush was very popular and along came Ross Perot.
     
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    There won't be a Ross Perot, if anything there will be a liberal spoiler. Those folks are all over the board ideologically, no way they can pull together a full coalition, many will either stay home or go another way...
     
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    My hope is that Bernie actually runs under the Independent party and steals all of those progressive votes from the Democrats. Bernie should have done it last year and he should do it this year because the Democrats will just rig the election to make sure he doesn't get the nomination.

    They know he is a cancer to the party and to the country.
     
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    Judging by the fact Democrats are impeaching Trump to help Biden, I'd say the primaries are already fixed. Shame they just don't make it public, it would eliminate hundreds of annoying robocalls over the next few months. Inconsiderate bastards.

    No way they let Bernie win. Even the dumbest prog knows America isn't ready for a socialist in the White House. Either way, Comrade Bernie sold out his legions of thugs for a seat at the Clinton administration and a book deal. If he had even a fraction of the juice he had in 2016 he would have been the front runner by a huge margin. As it stands nobody is polling anywhere near front runner numbers. Its a gaggle of chumps in a fractured party...
     
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    Yes, Democrats are in full force trying to already rig the 2020 election and making excuses for losing. Good point!
     
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    No real disagreement here, Bucky, but I'll always believe what wrecked H. W. Bush was bailing out the S&L's when there was so much malfeasance, criminal activity and corruption in that whole sordid mess. He should have let the guilty go BELLY-UP, and to hell with them! Instead, we started believing in the idea that some of these fat-cat creeps actually were, "too big to fail".... Bullshit!

    'Daddy' Bush also blew one of his feet off with his, "Read my lips -- no new taxes" slogan. That came back to bite him on the ass -- and then it gobbled the rest of him up, too. But I'll be honest enough to admit that I voted for Ross Perot... TWICE! Big mistake, but Bush had already taught me to despise RINO's... and I still do....

    [​IMG]. Yeah, uh-huh... and how was that different from being a damn Democrat?
     
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    If Trump starts a war (or the people can be tricked into believing he started a war) it will really hurt his chances for re-election.

    A stock market crash will be seen as the sabotage that anti-Trump pundits have been calling for, and likely garner more support for Trump.
     
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    I think that gives voters an awful lot of credit.

    Fact is people vote like this.

    Economy good don't change
    Economy bad change.

    Andvi would say it has nothing to do with the economy but people's perception of the economy
     
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    Then why did FDR win the Presidency more than any other President? He presided over the worst economy in our history for the longest time. Going by your saying above It should have been President Landon in 1936 or if you're going to ascribe that to Anti-Catholicism ( and I don't think he would have been the nominee if that was a real problem) at the least it should have been President Wilkie in 1940. I conclude from this that the proverbial wisdom of the post above may have limitations. People expect a President to provide good times that is true but they also realize that his real contribution to our overall prosperity may actually be limited.

    OTOH I've yet to hear of any President save one who was a flat out right bastard and got elected even once. And if you want to dispute that characterization of Trump please peruse what I got when I put in "which of the Presidents was a completely mean and disagreeable human being" to research this posting

    Trump wasn't known as that in 2016. Even after his victory, I remember that many people expected that he might "rise to the office" as some had done in the past. Alas, a forlorn hope for all but committed Trumpers

    We know better now.

    Finallly, consider the fact that Trump actually SCARES people. The many comparisons to major dictators of the last century are too well-known to bear repeating and they can't ALL be simply bad press. Not from a guy who gushes over the worst tyrant existing in the world today as if said murderer of his own relatives was the prom queen and our Chief Executive a lovelorn schoolboy.

    So will he win? It's too easily ascribable to wishful thinking for me to say no and I do have to note that we Dems have shown this really disturbing tendency to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, particularly in 2000 and 2016, but I really hope not
     
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    He only scares idiots..
     

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